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‘Oceania’ is right on iTunes (as is HU Podcast #90) 7:54 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Posted by chris in news, oceania, podcast, releases.

The Smashing Pumpkins’ second post-revival long-playing record is available for the public to hear, or at least those of us with a certain retail application installed: Listen to Oceania now via the iTunes US platform or iTunes UK.

The comments section on this post is open for your reactions.

After you’ve heard and processed Oceania for yourself, if you are interested in some of our early thoughts on the album, you can check out HU Podcast #90: 

Listen to the full podcast (1:03:27—longer than Oceania!!)


-Chris, Jason, Susan, and special guest Stacy

-Our panelists and guest give their overall impressions of the album as well as the impact of having the full band in the studio. (11:23)

-An in-depth rundown of the songs of Oceania. Which classic Pumpkins tune does “Quasar” remind Jason of? (12:44)

-No single has been released to radio, at least not yet, but which song would be the most likely candidate? Can we identify a hot summer jam for 2012? (7:22)

-I force everyone to compare Oceania with Billy Corgan’s other recent albums. Plus, how does the album fit in with the rest of Teargarden by Kaleidyscope? (12:25)

-Finally, how will the music press receive the album? (13:18)


1. Jon Morgan - 8:00 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

tried but the buffer won’t work for me state side. excite though and i hope to hear it by midnight or whenever iTunes posts it. exciting.

2. chris - 8:07 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

There are instructions on the o-board for getting it to work. It seems you have to switch iTunes to UK mode (flag in the bottom right hand corner), then close and reopen it. Haven’t tried it yet so I don’t know if it works, but that seems to be the consensus.

3. Bounitful_Wastland - 8:08 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Wow, this is mind blowingly awesome, not just on par with MCIS or Siamese Dream I reckon it might just outdo them entirely.

4. Michael Minner (@MichaelMinner) - 8:09 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

just finished it, i had my doubts and my hopes but nothing could have prepared me for the final product…AMAZING!!

5. xyumachine - 8:12 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I just installed iTunes and used hipsters united’s iTunes link. I live in California, so it worked for me.

6. Jon Morgan - 8:12 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

oh man gonna switch my flag. god save the queen!

7. arbitraryhandle - 8:13 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

This just simply is incredible. It exceeds expectations. So many songs, when I think I can predict what comes next in terms of production, melody, etc. something different happens. And the whole thing sounds organic, like a real band. A TIGHT band that has played together for years really putting it all out there. This is the real deal. Bravo, Mr. Corgan and company. Not ‘too rich to care’ after all.

8. Aaron C. - 8:14 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Album is fantastic so far. I’m on Pinwheels and it’s met all of my expectations. Way better than anything they’ve released since the reunion, I think.

9. arbitraryhandle - 8:15 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

@Jon Morgan Tonight, we all speak the Queen’s English. Haha.

10. GunsOfLoveDiastrous - 8:18 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Machina is so underrated, come on people! And Machina II!

11. gsmamz - 8:20 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I’m having a hard time being able to tell how much of this is the actual tone/sound of the album, and how much of it is the sound of the iTunes stream bitrate. Everything has a weird buzzy sound, but it’s not the sound quality I’m used to hearing from an online stream. Thoughts?

12. robbo89 - 8:20 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

the celestials is amazing!

13. Scott - 8:21 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I REALLY was not planning to listen to it as I just want to wait until I buy the thing. But…of course, I had to listen to the first two songs and I am just BLOWN AWAY so far.

14. arbitraryhandle - 8:22 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

@gsmamz I had the same thought. The stream will add some fuzz, but I have a feeling this is a fuzzy buzzy album by design; and I’m feeling it.

15. Scott - 8:22 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Make that the first THREE songs…I’d better stop. :)

16. Thomas Ramsey - 8:24 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012


17. arbitraryhandle - 8:24 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

@Scott Keep going. I’ve had a rough few days/weeks/years personally and this is lifting my spirits immensely. Did not expect this.

18. Jon Morgan - 8:24 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

this album is incredible. this is the smashing pumpkins as a band making a great record. a feather in the cap for sure for this band already. great job mike, nicole, jeff and billy.

19. JCelsius - 8:25 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012


Currently listening to the stream. I am hoping the actual album is clearer and I’m just hearing the low quality of the stream. Parts of it seem really muddy, particularly in Quasar.

20. igobyebye - 8:25 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I was afraid this would be a shitshow, but I’m really impressed so far. Nice sound!

21. CRB - 8:25 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Holy shit, The Celestials… This is awesome.

22. Rabasco - 8:26 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Someone to make a RIP on it! Here in the rest of Europe we cant hear nothing…

23. gyang333 - 8:29 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

you guys already recorded a podcast! jesus…

24. Kiernana - 8:29 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Anybody not liking it too much? Or underwhelmed? I’m (pleasantly) surprised no one is nitpicking…….yet. That said, the album truly is wonderful and the band deserves all the credit in the world for their performances and Billy for his writing. I believe a lot of people will be drawn to (or back to) the Pumpkins with this one.

25. JCelsius - 8:29 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I’m on One Diamond, One Heart right now and I think it is a perfect example of a song that on its own would have been disappointing, but in the context of the album it’s actually a bit endearing. It’s a wonder how we’d view certain previous TbK songs if they were on an album and not standing alone.

26. Jon Morgan - 8:30 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I am enjoying Mike as much as I enjoy hearing Jimmy drum for the Pumpkins.

27. Justin - 8:30 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

The production… it SOUNDS like the Pumpkins, in a way that the previous TbK tracks haven’t. If that makes sense. I think it does.

28. robbo89 - 8:34 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

@JCelsius I completely agree. Love the blend of electronica with fuzz rock on this album. Each song is a subtely different style

29. arbitraryhandle - 8:35 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Not trying to talk too much in this thread, but this is an important record to me. Zeitgeist never hit me in this fashion, and I’m one of the people that liked the TBK songs for what they were. Any doubts about Corgan’s brilliance or the band’s ability to perform are negated by this spectacular suite of songs.

30. Rocks4UrRocket - 8:37 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

So happy with the quality, songs…. Words cannot describe. What a day and journey for SP fans too. <sp3

31. listers_mullet - 8:37 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

4 songs in…. and holy shit!!!!!

32. Justin - 8:38 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

…man, the back half of Celestials. Wowzers.

33. Kiernana - 8:45 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

The Celestials is an early fav of mine. It starts in a pretty manner and turns into another sort of thing altogether, while still maintaining sheer beauty. I’m seriously buzzing off this album right now.

34. robbo89 - 8:46 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

the guitar tones in the studio version of oceania sound a lot cleaner and sweeter than they did live. Really lifts the song to another level for me

35. zanzabar - 8:49 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

god this is so awesome

36. zanzabar - 8:50 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

celestials… whaaaaaaattt?!? bring that fucking fire baby

37. listers_mullet - 8:50 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

God, Pinwheels is euphoric!

38. ! - 8:51 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Really loving the production – some epic stuff for sure. Were the hell was this for 17 years?

39. robbo89 - 8:52 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

really enjoying nicoles backing vocals too. Shame there’s not much Mike there too though, he has some chops

40. apm - 8:54 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Won’t someone think of the essay contest winners!? A boring boat ride with an album that’s already been heard! What a gyp!

I kid…. I kid….

41. Spumkins33 - 8:55 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

So, anyone else get a “Safety Dance” vibe off of “One Diamond, One Heart”? The entire album so far is AMAZING! Not a bad song.

42. robbo89 - 8:55 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Chimera sounds so much like Zwan in terms of phrasing, production and upbeat guitars. Not a bad thing. Ride a black swan part 2

43. Joe@joe.com - 8:55 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

is it possible that concert bootlegs have the potential of ruining songs? I LOVED the touring version of QUASAR.. but the slightly slower tempo and the vocal production kind of disappoint me.. Its the “Owata effect”, but to a lesser effect.

Wait. Panopticon sounds really good. Maybe I retract that statement.

44. zanzabar - 8:56 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012


this shit is gonna BUMP on lake michigan – thats gonna be really fun for them

45. zanzabar - 8:57 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

see i kinda thought that Quasar really came to life on this record

it was awesome live but this version really soars

46. Justin - 8:57 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Man, the live version of Pinwheels has WAY more drums than the studio version… still dig it a ton, just gonna take a minute to get used to that change.

47. alex - 8:58 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

holy shit at the celestials. wow.

48. JCelsius - 9:00 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Almost at the end. Inkless may be my favorite track on the first listen.

49. robbo89 - 9:00 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

glissandra just rocketed to my fave song post the rose march

50. Randelius - 9:06 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

This Pinwheels production= they need a djali album w this production!

51. Justin - 9:12 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I love The Chimera. The end.

52. Justin - 9:13 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I also love Zwan. Make of that what you will.

53. thedorkknight - 9:14 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Just finished Pinwheels. This thing continues to blow me away. Not that I expected any differently. But the whole band really brought their A game here.

54. Dystopic - 9:15 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Obligatory “Mike sucks” comment.

55. Snakester - 9:17 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Amazing production so far. This has a completely organic feel to it and sounds way more genuine than stuff in recent history. Good work, Smashing Pumpkins. For real. I applaud you. I am very, VERY impressed.

56. nic - 9:18 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Oh my god Pinweels i love youuuu!

57. CRB - 9:21 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Done with the whole thing now. It’s all good from beginning to end. The Celestials is something special though.

58. Randelius - 9:21 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

wow Pale Horse!! A little 8-bit funky worm line there at the end! lovin it

59. ! - 9:21 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

On first listen i really do think this is the best album since Mellon Collie. Really loved it.

60. Martin J Rios - 9:23 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Just an incredible album! Wow I don’t even know if I can put into words how wonderful it is. It’s just another great work in the canon and I hope that it gets all the praise that it deserves.

61. Justin - 9:29 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

…yeah. This album is fantastic. That said, it’s a different beast from Zeitgeist, the TbK stuff, and even SP v.1. It feels like a fresh start.

62. bigscott - 9:31 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Absolutely fabulous. Blown away. Speechless. Tremendous.

63. stevieboy - 9:32 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Listening now. As much as I enjoy everything Billy does it really seems he’s found what made the Pumpkins (and himself) great to begin with. Instead of trying to sound like the Smashing Pumpkins on Zeitgeist he just did his thing and found that sound he was trying to recapture.

64. zanzabar - 9:32 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Inkless is so awesome too

man this is really fun

65. Joe@joe.com - 9:38 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

The reaction that community is having is unbelievable.

Remember when Billy said the record company told him it was time to change the band name?
They were probably right. This record could stand alone without the Pumpkin name to back it up.

66. stevieboy - 9:42 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Even Netphoria seems to be enjoying it,

67. redhawk - 9:44 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I’m usually a debbie downer for all things recent Billy or SP, but this album is fantastic.

68. Phillip - 9:48 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

This is what I expected, and I am not disappointed…..so How about some advertisement on the iTunes site…. couldn’t EMI get that accomplished ? Most of the Facebook comments are really positive too!!

69. palace_cracked - 9:49 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I’ve been waiting for Billy to write this album. Gorgeous.

70. chris - 9:56 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

After listening to the whole thing once (plus Panopticon thru Violet Rays again because they are awesome), The Chimera is the summer jam that will provide the soundtrack to my apartment complex’s poolside conversations about how much alcohol the other residents have drunk/will drink.

71. thedorkknight - 9:57 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012


72. stevieboy - 10:01 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Only one problem so far. Gossamer should be here. It would fit so well on this album.

73. Joe@joe.com - 10:05 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Gossamer!!! I agree.

But is it no longer the crowning achievement of Pumpkins 2.0?

74. Snakester - 10:05 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I would have liked Gossamer as well but it is what it is and it’s AMAZING.

75. Joe@joe.com - 10:05 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Pumpkins 3.0

76. stevieboy - 10:07 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Good point. This album is definitely the post 2000 Pumpkins greatest achievement. Wow, how VAST-esc does Pale Horse sound? Wonderful.

77. Nathan - 10:13 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

This is easily the best “Rock” album of the past decade. I am deliriously enthusastic about how awesome it is to hear such great songs in the context of a Pumpkins album. I’m all the way into the title track and there hasn’t been one second of disappointment. Nothing cheesy. I would venture to say that I would put this album up against Disintegration. Fucking Marvelous.

78. JENN - 10:15 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I think we are ALL a little biased. I am biased.

With that said, I find it very difficult to find albums that I can “buy into” on a first listen.
I bought the new SSPU album and found myself turned off by the electronic drumming and had to ease myself into the sound. A few of SP’s free downloads off TGBK I had the same uneasiness with; the Disney like organ, the unnecessary orchestration that seemed to drown out the quality of the writing. After hearing some of the Oceania selections LIVE and loving them, I was skeptical that the sincerity and rawness of the live performance would be lost in a sound that is ‘trying too hard’.
I gave this album a critical listen tonight (BTW, Billy’s voice seems to be getting higher). There is very little that I dislike about this album. I’m sure my review doesn’t account for much in the scheme of things but in all honesty, it felt good. The lyrics were optimistic without being cheesy. The orchestration approached the verge of being overdone, then it would break into some raw guitar toothiness or acoustic mellow. The LIVE versions and the album versions were similar enough that I was far from disappointed.
The hard truth IS that it is a mature album. Its one that I feel a mass of young listeners won’t understand or find the simplistic melodies they crave. Unfortunately, the youth are drawn to a jingle and not a complex album. Every song was of quality and the album should be listened to in its entirety. There is not a single here. My hopes are that many of todays youth will understand the difference and find a home among the ‘album bound’ and avoid the schizophrenic listening habits that have caused quality art to die a lonely death.

SP, Best of luck on this album. We’ve got your back and we are riding this wave!

79. Dystopic - 10:15 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

It will be fun to read this thread in ~1 year when the novelty wears off. See also: Zeitgeist.

80. Nathan - 10:15 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Side note, I bet Jimmy is wishing he “Cashed the Check” now. Skysaw was awful…..

81. Jack Tripper - 10:16 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Heavy and tripped-out at the same time, a perfect combo! You can headbang to these songs or drift away to a state of pure bliss. Only negative I can think of is that Billy’s vocals are, at times, a bit too high in the mix for me to get totally lost in some of the songs. A little piercing, but hopefully that’s partially the stream’s fault. Overall, I’m pretty blown away though. It’s definitely restored my faith in Billy.

82. Randelius - 10:20 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

This is honestly the album I was hoping for before the title of Zeitgeist was revealed and there were rumors online that the new album was called “Electric Space Theatre” haha… so psychedelic and trippy and heavy.

83. jjb - 10:21 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012
84. Phillip - 10:22 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012


I enjoy Zeitgest to this day….never understood why ppl didn’t enjoy that album.

85. Nathan - 10:22 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

The Chimera is sick……. oh my god. This unreal.

86. stevieboy - 10:24 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

@Dystopic – Zeitgeist never got this reaction.

87. JCelsius - 10:25 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012


I think time will treat this album better than Zeitgeist, but I completely agree that people are too close to the forest to see the trees right now.

Proclaiming this as the best rock album of the past decade or the best Smashing Pumpkins since whenever is just ridiculous after one listen streaming over itunes. It’s seemingly a good album, but I’m not making any statements like that just yet. I like it thus far, but do I like it more than, let’s say, Adore? I don’t think so (Of course I think Adore is a beautiful album). It’s good music, and I’m glad the Pumpkins are out of what I considered a slump, but lets be mature about this. It sounds like everyone is infatuated with the album right now. We’ll see in time if they love it.

88. Matthew Rhodes - 10:28 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

dammit.. I dont want to download an Apple product to “Hear” an album.. Hook me up if it’s elsewhere!

89. Graves - 10:32 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

@JCelsius “Proclaiming this as the best rock album of the past decade or the best Smashing Pumpkins since whenever is just ridiculous after one listen streaming over itunes.”

Ridiculous, but accurate. This album will hold its own with any of BC’s past work.

90. CjD - 10:35 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Wow… just wow. I really enjoyed the first listen. The songs seem to have a lot of depth (just like all SP records), so I can’t wait to let these songs really sink in. Should be interesting to see how this record stands out with the other 44 TBK songs. Its nice to get a whole album again as opposed to getting one song at a time. It’s almost overwhelming as a SP fan!!!

91. melanie - 10:36 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Maybe I’m just tired, but I’m finding it kind of limp and dull and the lyrics really unimaginative and weak. I’ll give it another try in the morning but right now I’m not hearing what apparently everyone else is hearing. Most other SP records made a heavy impact on me on first listen, but this one is just not doing anything for me. Not horrible but not great either.

92. Jack Tripper - 10:37 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I know it’s probably too early to say, but I can state definitively that it’s my favorite Corgan-related work since the Machina albums, and I loved Zwan, just not the album that much. Oceania has the heavy/dreamy vibe of the good old days, yet with it’s own unique sound. It gives me a similar feeling that live Zwan did, a state of pure euphoria, especially with headphones. There’s a LOT going on in these songs.

93. JCelsius - 10:39 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012


Holding its own and outshining are two different things. Wait a month and see if it has the same charm. My first impression is that it’s a great album and fits in well enough with the Pumpkins catalog, but I wouldn’t venture to say it’s better than any of their albums just yet. I also wouldn’t say it’s better than either of Dinosaur Jrs albums of the past decade.

94. Elliot - 10:42 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I love this so hard right now. Oh my gosh. And I’m only 4 tracks in…

95. Graves - 10:54 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

@JCelsius I get what your saying. But, it doesn’t take me a month to understand that this album will have a broad appeal to a general music audience. As opposed to Adore or Machina or Zwan, albums that might seem “strange” to a general audience. Artistically it’s too soon to make a call, but commercially this has potential for the first time since MCIS

96. Conor - 10:55 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Listen to 33:20 of the live stream (not sure what song this is). Tell me that the piano part isn’t VERY similar to the 80’s Batman theme song by Danny Elfman. How awesome would that be for the band do a LIVE midsong rendition of Batman’s theme song during a show? I think it’d be awesome/ hilarious. But that’s just me. Awesome record, btw. Great drumming, love seeing Billy show off his guitar abilities.

97. Sean - 10:56 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

just finished ‘violet rays’ which is thus far my favorite….this is really amazing

98. Joe@joe.com - 10:57 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Commercially, it doesn’t have much potential because there are 0 singles and has been 0 promotion.

Of course the pumpkin community digs it, but will it do anything outside of our little circle? We’ll have to see.

99. Joe@joe.com - 10:57 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Pale Horse is about 1000000x more interesting on the album than it was live. This might be my favorite tune.

100. Stinstrom3 - 11:13 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I wasn’t sure about the way Panopticon and My Love Is Winter sound different from live to studio (Love the live versions) but i still really think they work. Everything sounds fantastic so far.

101. Just_Erick - 11:14 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012


Are you kidding? Zeitgeist was the most anticipated rock album of 2007… People wen’t crazy for Tarantula and Thats the way…

I think it is solid but people are getting a little too over excited. Listen to the podcast, I think some great points were mentioned.

102. Sean - 11:15 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

If anyone isn’t enjoying the album, it’s because they have crappy speakers and/or the volume is turned down too low.

@graves random question, is your name Ed?

103. Stinstrom3 - 11:16 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Another point. It may not do amazing on the charts but this is finally music that to me sounds like a natural progression for SP.

104. 34 - 11:18 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

LMAO oh it makes so much sense now. #billytitles

105. zanzabar - 11:22 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

hey just erick

like, shut the fuck up?

too excited? says who? people are allowed to be “too excited” … whatever that means

106. JCelsius - 11:22 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012


Most definitely. I gave it a listen while making dinner and thought it was pretty good, but when I sat down with decent headphones and listened to a few of the songs, I was much more impressed.

107. OhMy - 11:26 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Damn Pale Horse sounds amazing listening outside in the dark.

108. bobs marvellous melons - 11:30 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

i thinks this album is gonna burn

after 5, 10 20 listens i think, hope its gonna really take hold. at the moment it’s like “oh that’s different to the live versions that’s a bit weird”

still it works it flows even on listen one/two, its eciting

109. Stinstrom3 - 11:32 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

If they do a single it should probably be Inkless

110. Django - 11:34 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Can we listen to this album elsewhere? This iTunes thing is not working…. And I have a decent connection… For the love of Billy… Please help a brother out.

111. Duy Nguyen - 11:34 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

What happened with the online experience. Is this it? Glad to be able to listen though. Will listen soon!

112. Stinstrom3 - 11:35 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

@Django..love the name. Cant wait for the movie.

113. Phillip - 11:39 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

I honestly don’t see this album being a commercial success, it’s really to conceptual for this era of music, and that’s fine. I feel that it’ll get favorable reviews however from critics though, but the general audience won’t be able to get past certain directions this album goes.

114. Elliot - 11:44 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Listen #2. Oh. My. Gawld!

115. Django - 11:46 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

@Stinstrom3 thanks… Me neither.

116. justsaymaybe - 11:48 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

Some of the songs made love to my soul while some of them were slightly meh….of course I’ve never heard an album by any artist (including SPs Mellon Collie) where I was in love with every part of every song on the first listen. Some songs need time to grow on you and I think that’s the case with some parts of this album. I’m not completely ready to give a review of the album as I really want to experience the non-streamed album (along with the complete track listing n’ artwork) in its entirety.

117. Elliot - 11:50 pm // Monday, June 11, 2012

My Love is Winter might be the most radio friendly. Maybe Glissandra.

118. dustrock - 12:07 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

The Celestials is the easy winner halfway thru.

Violet Rays forgettable but I’ve liked everything else. Byrne’s drums arent bothering me in terms of style but they’re so high in the mix it takes away from stuff like Quasar.

Some real nice guitar work on this.

Pinwheels cheesy but good.

119. Odracir - 12:09 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I just crapped my pants. End of story.

120. Johnny - 12:15 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012


121. Johnny - 12:17 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Billy’s voice sounds fantastic. The Celestials may be the best thing I have ever heard.

122. Johnny - 12:18 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Nicole’s voice is beautiful <3

123. Sean - 12:19 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Just finished…*restarts from the beginning* yeah this is going to be blasting from my car for the foreseeable future.

As far as commercial success goes… I can’t hear any dull moments or let downs. The whole record flows smoothly one track to the next. Billy’s vocals swim in an ocean of impressive sound as opposed to surfing above the waves (like in Zeitgeist and much of TbK). That alone I believe will make enough difference to casual audiences and make them more receptive to it.

The question is HOW will they hear the album? Touring will help. So will professional reviews, provided they get over themselves and their absurd elitism (for at least an hour). Most important factor though really is word of mouth so…looks like I’ll be subjecting many a friend and coworker.

Since Oceania is both solid and accessible, it has the potential to catch fire.

124. Johnny - 12:22 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Oceania the song is…so sad…. :'(

125. colquittbrett - 12:30 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

My two cents: OH MY FUCKING GOD.

126. Adam - 12:36 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Terrific. I want better drumming, doesn’t have to be jimmy but I’m underwhelmed at parts. But the production, songwriting, vocals, creativity.. So so much improvement. Teagarden made things look like nothing good was to come, but I’m pleasantly surprise. Favorites are celestials, pinwheels (seems like the true centerpiece of this record), and especially pale horse. I’d dig the last half of Oceania more if they didn’t fade out the ending.

127. colquittbrett - 12:37 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012


128. dustrock - 12:38 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Great album like Zwan done well mixed with Machina 1. I think you guys are kidding yourselves about commercial success though.

129. colquittbrett - 12:43 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

HOLY SHIT. TRACK FOUR! This… I understand Billy’s desire to reveal it as an album… because honestly? This makes Machina or Adore (my favorite albums BTW) look disjointed and nonsensical. THIS FUCKING ALBUM!

130. Adam - 12:43 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Panopticon and mliw have potential for singles.

131. Johnny - 12:50 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I r teh happiez. Oceania is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet yo. Glissandra and Inkless kick some serious ass.

132. DyingHorseBlues - 12:50 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I second that. Brett. OH MY FUCKING GOD.

Whereas my first listen of Zeitgeist was a false optimism, where I tried, I consciously tried to like the songs, I had to make an effort to find something I liked in each one, this…

This is just a fucking waterfall of things so amazing I cannot wrap my mind around it. Just, every song here is wonderful. It ALMOST beats Siamese Dream were it not for the rather directionless Glissandra, but Jesus H, I cannot really describe how these songs are striking me. I haven’t been moved, really moved by music like this in years. I haven’t laughed with joy or found my face hurting from smiling in years. I just am amazed by this thing.

The thing that really strikes me is the dynamic of the music has returned. Those trademark Pumpkins interruptions, tidbits, strange measures, syncopation, etc. Besides that, this really doesn;’t sound like anything I’ve ever heard from the Pumpkins. I try to imagine James and Jimmy playing this stuff, and the image just doesn’t work. Yet, I can’t describe this music as anything other than Pumpkins. Also the fact that Billy gives a shit in his singing once again. Such soul in this music, wow.

Still looking for my jaw.

Highest Points: Panopticon, Violet Rays, One Diamond One Heart, The Chimera

Lowest Points: Glissandra, My Love Is Winter

133. Johnny - 12:52 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Billy’s singing towards the end of Inkless is fantastic. Just really great.

134. colquittbrett - 12:53 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

The combination of a single like My Love Is Winter followed by One Diamond, One Heart, and then Pinwheels? FUCK YOU, BILLY CORGAN. You have finally written the best album you’ll ever write… I said that after Machina, by the way. So thank you for proving me fucking wrong TIME AND TIME AGAIN. FUCK, this is so FUCKING AMAZING.

135. Adam - 12:54 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I don’t think, having made an album this good, it would have hurt billy corona and this new band to change the name from smashing pumpkins to something else.

136. colquittbrett - 12:55 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Pinwheels live? I don’t even recognize it past the synth lines. It’s making me weep tears of joy. Goddamnit. No more failed promise! REDEMPTION. This shit is so fucking good.

137. ryan - 12:56 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

A few songs in and I don’t know how I feel about the SONGS themselves, but the mixing is dead-on. Haven’t heard the band sound this good in ever.

138. Gv - 12:57 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I think that with Zeitgeist –> the 20th Anniversary Tour, Billy was getting headier and more involved with the intricacies of his songcraft, half-ignoring the listener. Which I loved. If it was small and acoustic, he made it work on those terms. If it was a thunderous, electric cycle, he made that work. It’s a challenge to work within such limitations. These songs are a little looser, and have an almost casual, funky swagger. Some of the arrangement choices, for example, the harpsichord/toy piano moment in “Oceania” or the digital keyboard overdub at the end of “Pale Horse” have a capricious spirit. Also, a number of the songs end abruptly, which is way for a musician to communicate that he’s not taking himself “too seriously” (by contrast: the 2-minute guitar loop at the end of “For Martha.”)

I expect that more people will connect with this set of songs than did with Zeitgeist.

139. DyingHorseBlues - 12:58 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

And for the first time ever, I agree with you Adam. I can certainly see Panopticon pouring out of a radio and being popular to casual and serious rock fans alike.

I wished to see the Pumpkins vindicated with this album, a platinum certification to wave in the face of their detractors and naysayers, (and in my opinion they would really deserve it with this amazing piece of work) but I don’t see commercial success as a reality. There has been ZERO promotion for this album, I was kinda hoping EMI was going to push it as far as they could but as of yet there really isn’t anything being put out there.

140. Omar - 1:02 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

The Celestials….dear GOD I can’t get past that song on the album cuz it is on endless repeat….

141. Just_Erick - 1:06 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

One of the first review folks. 4 out of 5. Tops the the best reviews of the week for Toronto Sun.

“Billy’s most ambitious work since Machina…”


142. colquittbrett - 1:06 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

WHOA. Pale Horse was way more rocking than I was expecting. Good for Mike. :) …wait! Good for guitars, too!

@Adam, yeah, maybe. But I still think Zwan was really fucking good, but I kind of think that if it were under the name Smashing Pumpkins it would have been less underrated and more commercially accessible. And honestly, the name at this point (and possibly for forever) is irrelevant, cause no matter what happens, it will always be Billy Corgan being judged. Names are pointless at that point.


143. Sean - 1:08 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

And the winner after 2 1/2 listens is… ‘Pinwheels’ for me.

144. Graves - 1:08 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

For the amount of promotion EMI is doing, they might as well have released the album back in September on their own

145. Stinstrom3 - 1:12 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I’m going to second that someone upload it too. Ill buy 5 copies of it damnit if someone does.

146. Stinstrom3 - 1:13 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

P.S. Listening to this album in the dark is the s***

147. colquittbrett - 1:14 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Dude… My Love Is Winter is a single, yeah, but The Chimera? FIRST single!

148. Johnny - 1:14 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I don’t know…they have a pretty sweet spot on iTunes right now. Apparently a bunch of interviews are comming out soon. Oceania is going to have the top spot on the shelves at Walmart and Best Buy (according to employees). It’s been hugely well recieved this far, I kind of think whatever they’ve done for promotion has worked, at least to some extent.

Also. My Love Is Winter–SOOOOO good on the second listen. Same with Quasar. Once acclimated to the newer versions, they rock. Though I found the cymbals throughout the album to be a little tin-y. Hope that’s just the stream.

149. colquittbrett - 1:15 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

In the way the Jellybelly should have been the first single for MCIS. It’s that fucking amazingly guitar heroic.

150. Stinstrom3 - 1:15 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

It will be #2 when its released. I guess that jerk justice beaver has an album coming out on June 19th as well

151. Just_Erick - 1:18 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

The link did not work for me either so what I did was install itunes normally (google itunes) then itunes is promoting the album on their front page in the store. Literally click that banner and it will start playing.

After listening to it a few times already, Violet Rays is probably my favorite song so far but I love Pinwheels so much better than the live version I heard back in 2011. As for the radio song, don’t Pumpkins usually start with a really heavy song so Im going with Panopitcon with My Love is Winter as the back up.

152. DyingHorseBlues - 1:18 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Hey, as long as it’s not the horrible treble cymbals of Zeitgeist that drowned everything (see: Doomsday Clock) I’m cool with it. By the way, this is the first time since the reformation Pumpkins songs got a good mix/master/production. The vocals are “in” the sound rather than “above” it as someone above me stated. Just everything is arranged great.

153. DREVPILE - 1:19 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012


154. colquittbrett - 1:20 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Glissandra? MOTHERFUCK YOU BILLY CORGAN. Fuck. Why didn’t you just write this shit for Zeitgeist? Oh. … Inkless? Seriously? FUCK YOU DUDE. THIS SHIT IS BEAUTIFUL AND ALL I’VE WANTED FOR A DECADE.

155. DyingHorseBlues - 1:23 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Starting my third listen through now. My favorite song at the moment is One Diamond, One Heart. It’s so unexpected, it just grabs me in a way I never thought an electronic one could.

156. Gv - 1:24 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@ colquittbrett

If I were Billy my only Zeitgeist regret would be not finding a way to get “As Rome Burns” and “Gossamer” [closing track!] on there. My apologies for mentioning those songs, which, as we know, each boast a proud legacy of inspiring butthurt in the fans.

157. colquittbrett - 1:29 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Just started my 2nd listen, and I’m drunk and ecstatic on this fucking record. Quasar is soooo the new Cherub Rock. THE NEW ERA HAS BEGUN! AND IT WILL BE GOOD! CHEERS, MOTHERFUCKERS!

158. colquittbrett - 1:31 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@Gv HOPEFULLY this album will be successful enough for a few singles/EPs. As Rome Burns is a perfect B-side to ANY song from this album (as it’s that good, and each song actually is amazing). Gossamer might wind up being one of those things mentioned in secret amongst fans as this mythic beast that is spoken of in hushed tones. I’d love a recording of it, but yeah. We might have to wait for the Oceania re-issue in 2020.

159. DyingHorseBlues - 1:37 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

“Gossamer might wind up being one of those things mentioned in secret amongst fans as this mythic beast that is spoken of in hushed tones.”

Ha, like the Dead and Dark Star, huh? Or, as Deadheads refer to it, “It.”

160. Rick Worley - 1:38 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

A little early to declare it the best Pumpkins album since whatever or make big proclamations like that, but it is really good. Even Siamese Dream, which eventually wound up having such personal significance for me that I probably couldn’t ever objective judge how “good” it is, took me a while to completely get into. That said, I feel comfortable saying The Chimera is the best Happy Billy song ever.

161. colquittbrett - 1:41 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@DyingHorseBlues – I cannot say, as I’m a closet hippie with no actual knowledge of music loved by hippies. Casey Jones is rad though!

162. DyingHorseBlues - 1:42 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

“A little early to declare it the best Pumpkins album since whatever or make big proclamations like that, but it is really good. Even Siamese Dream took me a while to completely get into.”

This, people. Show a little restraint, even though the new euphoria :D

163. colquittbrett - 1:46 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Ok. I’m sorry that I’m being that dude and posting nonstop, but FUCK. If this album doesn’t make D’Arcy look positively useless, I don’t know what does. Nicole? I don’t know if you read this stuff, but YOU KNOW YOUR SHIT. And you sing quite nice, too.

Mainly, Billy? Thanks for letting the rest of your band shine for a change. This just FEELS like a band on record, and that makes the material shine in a way I haven’t heard in forever.

Oh, and mellotron FOREVER.

164. Alex - 1:56 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

One Diamond, One Heart is giving me that undeniable “We Only Come Out at Night” charm that leaves me in such a giddy state of mind. It sounds even better on the second listen.

Top 5 Favorites: The Celestials, Violet Rays, One Diamond One Heart, Pale Horse, Wildflower.

165. JCelsius - 1:57 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@DyingHorseBlues. Thank you. I get that the album is pretty solid, but this is ridiculous. I almost feel like heading over to netphoria just so I can get an opinion besides “this album is the best thing ever!” Which it is not.

166. gingershackleton - 1:59 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

happy birthday to me! I’m up to violet rays so far, couldn’t be happier, it truly is fantastic :)

167. colquittbrett - 2:00 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@JCelsius – Look man, I’m not completely objective about this band. That will never be. I like them too much. And really, after the previous missteps, this sounds like a return to greatness. As a fan, I’m not going to be objective. I’m going to hype and fill the world with hyperbole. It’s FUN.

168. gingershackleton - 2:02 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

guitars! and more guitars! love it!!!!!

169. Gv - 2:06 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Let me be the first to comment on how nicely “Quasar” transitions into “Panopticon.”

The half-timeish riff that takes over “Quasar” by 3:30 has the same rhythm as the “Panopticon” main riff. Also, the songs are in the same key: D major.

The band knows this. They’ve almost always played the songs back-to-back live.

170. Fat Albert - 2:07 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

It sucks that even though people will be stealing this all week I still can’t have the files I paid for.

171. JCelsius - 2:07 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012


I’m a big a fan as the next guy. I’ve been on my own personal high this past week getting ready to hear the new album. No one gets me more excited than the Pumpkins BUT I also don’t believe in flapping my mouth (figuratively since we’re on the internet) when I’m likely going to feel differently later. My grandmother said “it’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” That’s something I live by and well, I’m not going to laud this album as the best thing since sliced bread just yet. I’m loving it and I’m excited that the band’s back on track, but I’m not blind to the fact that I’ll feel differently once it’s worn on me a bit.

172. KStud78 - 2:09 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Doesn’t the Celestials have commercial possibilty in anybody’s mind? That song is beautiful.

This album is totally blowing me away right now.

173. Robert Koh - 2:10 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

am i the only one who can’t get this to work? im in south korea. have tried switchin the flag to both us and uk, still not working :-/

174. Simon Whitehead - 2:11 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

The stream’s not working for me – anyone else?

175. fuyd - 2:14 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

People you have to click the link in the music homepage not go to the album page

176. colquittbrett - 2:16 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@JCelsius – Fair enough. That said, I don’t think its wrong to play the role of excited fan at the appropriate times, especially on a fan site on the internet. I respect your stoic reservation. Ultimately, it’s pointless, but right on.

177. Simon Whitehead - 2:18 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

fuyd – done that – got the button that says Listen Now – and… nothing

178. JCelsius - 2:20 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012


I guess I’m a born critic. I don’t see the appeal in blind compliments caught up in the moment. That said, going on the third listen of this album I enjoy it more each time.

179. Robert Koh - 2:20 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

ah crap it looks like i have to create a whole new apple ID for another country. someone capture this and post it somewhere~!

180. fuyd - 2:21 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@Simon then I have no clue it still works for me, reset itunes? I don’t know good luck.

181. lala - 2:22 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

the album is amazing. my heart is touched!!!!!!!!!

@Simon Whitehead

on nethporia there is a leak. warning the songs from the leak have a weird echo but they are listenable

182. gingershackleton - 2:22 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

it’s working for me!!! pale horse…. <3

183. mitchellblack - 2:24 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I’m almost in tears listening to this. Panopticon and Pale Horse are just destroying me. I really hope the world sees this album for what it is and not just toss it away because of preconceived notions about Sir Corgan.

184. Gee - 2:30 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Glissandra is the only song I zoned out on and didn’t care for, other than that it’s an album to be proud of, still hoping they recorded As rome burns and it comes out as a b-side or something but that’s not happening.

185. Jonk - 2:31 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Check out this pic when listening

186. Mayosean - 2:34 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Really need to rethink the whole no singles thing. There are some hits on this record.

187. Gv - 2:37 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Here are the keys of the songs. Even if it wasn’t plotted out by the band, it helps to give a sense of an album’s tone.

Quasar: D major
Panopticon: D major
The Celestials: F# minor
Violet Rays: G minor
My Love Is Winter: D major
One Diamond, One Heart: E major
Pinwheels: G major
Oceania: A minor
Pale Horse: D major
The Chimera: D major
Glissandra: D major
Inkless: D major
Wildflower: F major

Some may disagree with my calls (i.e. on One Diamond, which stays in C# minor territory for the verse but goes to the rel. major for the chorus), but that’s what I heard.

188. internetcliche - 2:49 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Loved it! can’t wait to get a proper copy and digest it fully. I had an urge to put on Pomp and Circumstances after it finished, so I did.

189. Gv - 3:07 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Hard to say based on the stream, but this seems to be the least extreme compression on a Billy Corgan project since Machina II.

190. lala - 3:17 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

my second listen! loving it! best since SD!!!!!!!!!!!!

191. Sean - 3:48 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Any fan willing to make the “best SP album ever” claim? (if only to be the first person to do so)
I do think “Oceania” (song) fades at least 30 seconds too early

192. 34 - 4:37 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

For people in other countries (i.e. not in UK, US, EI, CA, AU, NZ) that can’t get it to work- I don’t think it will, even if you “change stores” to one of the above. They’re likely doing geolocation tracking and limiting the streams to the countries the stores are in. Since it’s not available in the JP store, I had to use a proxy server based in the US, then use the US iTunes store to get it to actually work- before that it would give me a 1:00:12 scrollbar as if it was going to work, but didn’t. Once I set up the proxy, it gave me a “Now loading…” popup while it buffered, and then it worked. So if you can figure out how to set up a proxy, try that. Otherwise, either wait, or try to find it some other way.

193. Sean - 4:42 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

…whoa *blinks*

194. Spag - 5:02 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

BEST SP ALBUM EVER! (and I haven’t even listened to the stream yet)

195. Spag - 5:02 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012
196. Graves - 5:18 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

“I don’t see the appeal in blind compliments caught up in the moment.”

And I don’t see the appeal in criticizing fans for being excited about an album. Its a rare moment for this fan base.

197. uncle cheese dick - 5:32 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

i really liked it until everthing after my love is winter….then i changed my mind and hated the album.

198. drowning swan - 6:01 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I cant get the itunes thing to work and I am dying to hear this album. (I didnt even hear the samples on Amazon) I love what I am hearing with fan reviews so far…..

199. snowtrooper - 6:44 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

im gonna be on the boat tonight, and decided yesterday not to listen. is this a mistake? after reading last night and this morning you people are starting to upset me. out of jealously of course

before i knew about the boat, i wasnt going to listen to the stream and just wait for the cd….i wanted my first ocean experience to be driving thru the south side in my 2004 dodge caravan pumping.

200. lala - 7:17 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

the album in 320 kbs is THE SHIT :) yeah baby. Billy did it. WE WIN :) hipsters/grungers lose

201. Kiernana - 7:24 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

After three full listens, I feel confident this album will be held in high regard by most. The Celestials, Violet Rays, and One Diamond, One Heart are the standouts right now for me. I love the entire thing though. The only one I’m not quite into yet is Pinwheels, ironically enough. But I still like it. More, in fact, than the live version, which I was always ‘meh’ toward.

202. Zave - 7:34 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

That “320kbp” version is really awful, sounds mono and rather flat to me. Just listen to the Quasar intro Vs. the iTunes streaming…

203. behold! tonight pistol pete and 33 bullets with muzzled wings - 7:47 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

the radio station here played the celestials this morning.

204. lala - 7:53 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Inkless, Qusar, Panopticon should be the three singles in my opinion.

205. wemustneverbeapart - 8:02 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I need to say that I’m very disappointed with the record. Billy created an ultimate fan pleaser to me. After two listens I am perfectly indifferent to the album. It’s neither good nor bad. That’s why for me Oceania fall behind any SP record: with Zeitgeist or Teargarden fan base was extremely divided and polarised: absolute love vs hate. And that aspect of every SP album has been the factor that drew me to the band the most. The great low of Oceania is the fact that the songs sound so much better live than on the record. Title track looses such a great deal of epicness while for ex. Quasar lacks the live performances’ agression. Another sad thing is that there is not a single song out of those they haven’t played on tour that I particulary liked. in other words, the ones I liked months ago are still my favorites from the record, while none of “new” ones convinced me. The songwritting is decent, but only decent to me. Same goes for production. I’ll risk and say that you can hear the lack of KB, because as a drummer he knew exactly how to mix and produce them: on Oceania drum parts are preformed well while being terribly captured on tape. The only pleasant surprise to me was Celestial because of its evolution: I was sure that its like A Stitch in Time but more boring for the first 1.5 minutes but when the guitars entered I was really blown. But that sort of moments are extremely rare on this record unfortunately.

206. monocoque - 8:05 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

disappointed in Quaser intro. Live version’s intro is uber cool, I expected studio version would have it, but it’s only used as sorta effect in the middle of the song. They shouldve added that intro part to studio version.

207. Kiernana - 8:21 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

That’s true. The live Quasar vocal intro effect thingy is awesome. I had hoped for it as well.

208. monocoque - 8:22 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012


That songs sound so much better live than studio has been Billy’s issue since Zwan or Machina. Actually it was so in MCIS era, their live was always awesome and “better” than studio.
I think for Oceania songs, studio versions dont sound much worse than live. Quality difference b/w studio and live is back to 90s level, i’d say.

No, KB didnt know how to record, mix and produce. His recording, mixing and production sucks on Superchrist and If all goes wrong DVD, as if he had done all he could to diminish and ruin, especially drumming, as if he had venom against Jimmy.

209. stevieboy - 8:26 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Am I the only one who gets a Silverfuck vibe from Quasar?

210. Is he one? - 8:48 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Oh wow is this a GREAT, great album. There’s no word to describe how fantastic this sounds ! :)

211. drowning swan - 9:13 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

they keep removing the link to the rip, almost got it all (trying on my phone just to listen to. i understand why, but for me at least i planned on buying the album reguardless…just wanted to hear it finally

212. Justin - 9:14 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@stevieboy — I can hear that. I think it’s the most SD/MCIS-era sounding SP track since… 1995, I guess.

213. KidGotLuck - 9:17 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

It’s nice and very promising for the future, especially considering the low point that has been TBK. But it lacks the adventure and emotion of a real Pumpkins album. I think it’s kind of a good début for the new band.

214. stevieboy - 9:21 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

On my, um, third listen through now. They should have called this Machina III – Mellon Collie and the Siamese Mary Star of the Zeitgeist… Adore, Gish, Thefutureembrace. Catchy no?

Really feels like every album Billy put out got together for an orgy.

215. Justin - 9:30 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Here’s what I think is different on this record than, say, any studio track since before Zeitgeist:

Jeff. (And Nicole, too.)

The fact that we have TWO different guitarists playing, just like the BC and Iha days, instead of just Billy laying down all the tracks, is the game changer here. And, also, Nicole playing the bass parts makes a difference too. It sounds like a BAND, it has that feeling like it can go off the rails at any point, which is what makes all the old SP tracks so great.

It’s got all the elements that everyone’s wanted since the band got back together, but it sounds fresh and new. Even if it’s not as great as the previous “classic” records (the first three), it sounds like it belongs next to them at least.

216. AdamDanger - 9:31 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Can you stream on an Iphone? I don’t have one but someone here at work does. Wanted to make sure before I have to explain anything to them…

217. drowning swan - 9:33 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Anyone else have the link to a rip I’m slow sorry have few more to download. And I am buying it from a record store first thing on tues promise.

218. axelease - 9:33 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

at Pale Horse now and loving the album so far. Pinwheels is a real stand-out track, as is Quasar.

219. Justin - 9:35 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@adamdanger – Nope. I just checked on my iPhone… no streaming that I see.

220. AdamDanger - 9:42 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Considering I already have this preordered on CD and vinyl, anyone have a rip link? @AddyDanger

221. Johnny - 9:47 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Hahaha, in to whoever said it, yes, in my subjective experience in this moment, holy shit, this is the best album ever. I enjoy it immensley. Will that last? Probably not. But I have a hard time comming down with any album as a best album ever, so that’s not really a critisism or a bad thing.
Quasar is awesome. I described it as “SuperChrist, but fast” on the OBoard, and I think that’s still my best comparison.
I REALLY like Glissandra, but I think the reason that song is being less enjoyed (and compared to TheFutureEmbrace on the podcast) is that it doesn’t have the same arc that many “Pumpkins” songs do, but is more an excersize of a mood (the iTunes review of TheFutureEmbrace says that each song expresses an emotion, but never breaks out of that. I’ve always found that to be true, especially of The CameraEye and Mina Loy, probably my two favorite Embrace songs).

222. frank - 9:59 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

This album is a 6 out of 10 at best. Sorry. I wanted this to be great. I really did. Its not. However It i a step in the right direction. Im def not a fan of the lyrics on this record. “I will love you 101%” ugggghhhhhh! Also Making the first song sound like pumpkins rip off band doesnt make it awesome. Its just makes it sounds like you’ve run out of ideas. The production is finally lil better.

223. Spumkins33 - 10:02 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Yea, the US one isn’t working, and the UK one now stops and fails to load mid stream. At least I got to hear the album last night, shit…

224. zanzabar - 10:04 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

you heard it right here folks! 6 out of 10! i guess theres no point in discussing it anymore!

hahahahah poor soul. the hoobastank forums called, they want theyre mod back.

225. KidGotLuck - 10:13 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I’d agree with the 6/10, at least relative to their best work. 6/10 against SD, MCIS or Adore is still pretty high!

226. sporo - 10:13 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

good album but for me it doesn’t live up to the hype billy gave it…didn’t he say someone heard it and cried hysterically, while another person punched several babies in the face and then ate 7.5 party sized pizzas?

227. frank - 10:17 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

First of all I had to google Hoobastank to find out about horrible band you apparently know well. Secondly Im sorry but in a world with the popular bands being as good as Sigur Ros,Wilco,Grizzly bear,M83, and Fleet foxes this album just isnt up to snuff. I mean lets be honest this album is ok. There are still some serious taste issues. I really wanted Billy grow with his audience like he seemed to be doing on TFE and MSOTS. I thought the reforming/rebranding of the pumpkins would mean further progression but so far it really hasnt. Ive seen the pumpkins 13 times 3 times in the new incarnations. Im a fan that just expects more not a hater. Im glad you like the record Zanzabar. I just expected more, a lot more. LIke i said though its is definitely a step in the right direction

228. drowning swan - 10:19 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

i punched that other .5 baby for good measure

229. sporo - 10:19 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

13 times 3 is 39

230. drowning swan - 10:20 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

anyone link to rip please, still need 5 more and I am trying to not listen until I have the whole thing.

231. KidGotLuck - 10:27 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I’m 100% with Frank. Although not about fleet foxes :)

232. Justin - 10:33 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

…I don’t enjoy any of those bands Frank mentioned. Especially Sigur Ros.

233. KidGotLuck - 10:35 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@Justin – this one doesn’t get you?

234. KidGotLuck - 10:36 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012
235. soltmen - 10:40 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Entertaining comment section, I don’t have time to lissen yet but … over time, I do hope Oceania ranks high. @ monocoque to wemustneverbeapart. KB was completely inept. Perhaps his ears are shot but his recording and production work was some of the worst.

236. Bob English - 10:42 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

“Pinwheels” made me cry in a way I haven’t in a long time. Broke my heart, in a very good way. Wow.

237. frank - 10:52 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@soltmen you are 100% correct about KB

238. lala - 10:52 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

album is brilliant! :) 10/10

239. Phillip - 10:54 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

haha @ Frank I think everyone of those bands suck, get out of here dude.

240. Just_Erick - 10:59 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Although Franks comments where…quite frank (bad pun intended) and though some of what he said I disagree with, his main point is exactly what I said about Oceania last week. I really do wish Billy would push past the comfortable realm that the Pumpkins sit on and evolve their music.

Oceania is a good album, and a great step in the right direction. I’ve said it before in this thread but Violet Rays is easily my favorite Pumpkins track of the album. Thematically it is deep, a kin to Adore, and melodically it clearly steps out of the usual Pumpkins sound. I am excited to see the product of what this album brings and if anything, I am excited to see the positive reaction. Can’t wait to see these songs live.

241. Bob English - 11:05 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

“Glissandra” is fucking AWESOME too. It SLAYS. The first 4 tracks are amazing. “My Love Is Winter” is one of my new favorite SP songs, except I don’t like this version. It is too pristine and slick. If SD-era SP, even Machina II-era SP had recorded this, it’d be killer. It needs a raw cut, just vicious, distorted guitars, raw/scathing vocals, and JIMMY on drums. Otherwise, this album could only be done by the new SP, and it is phenomenal.

4.5 / 5

242. King of Gloom - 11:10 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

You can just feel that this is an organic band effort. This records is flowing like a river with some waterfalls, reaching the ocean in the end.

243. chris - 11:10 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@frank: I don’t take issue with your not liking the album, but you seem to be saying that Billy should be making music that sounds like the popular indie rock acts of today because that’s what rock audiences want to hear now, that liking what I feel to be cold, underproduced, repetitive, poorly-sung music is somehow progress (I’m not familiar enough with the artists you mention to accuse any of them of this, but it’s what I feel whenever I see an indie rock act on SNL or Colbert or when one becomes popular enough that I check them out on YouTube).

I think this album is definitely a progression from MSOTS and TFE in that it left behind what I thought were the bad elements of both (the production of MSOTS, the coldness and repetitiveness of TFE) but built upon the good (the uplifting qualities of MSOTS, the songwriting of TFE). But then again, I’ve only listened to it 1.5 times (stupid no iTunes at work…).

244. Kiernana - 11:11 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I think some may take for granted the ‘comfortable realm’ the Pumpkins reside in. Keep in mind the fact that they have pushed musical boundries FAR past what the vast majority of rock bands ever do, or aspire to do. And they’ve been successful at it as well, on the whole. So if they wander back in more familiar territory, so be it. Sometimes you have to go back the way you came to take that other fork in the road. But I’m not arguing. I think that may very well be the point you’re alluding to, Just_Erick. I see just what you’re saying. I do happen to really enjoy this batch of songs. A LOT. (But after so much boundary-pushing, how much can you really do that will blow the socks off everyone?)

I agree with lala’s assessment.

And 39 times is a shit ton to see any one band… ;-D

245. Phillip - 11:12 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@Erick and maybe you can put it better than what frank could, but honestly if Frank wants SP to ever be any of those other bands he needs to move on it’ll never happen. The problem is that if Billy gave the ” Franks” exactly what they wanted they wouldn’t know it, and they still would give poor reviews so its truly Alternative if say despite that I will do what my vision is and if the people enjoy it they’ll enjoy it. take The Cure for example which is a band I would compare more to the Pumpkins than the Fleet Foxes or Wilco. For one I think their production and layering if very comparable and how Robert Smith most of the time is the only staple member. Anyway They released on their 2008 Album 4:13 “The Only One” and reviews said things like “It reminds us the old Cure pop songs, but lacks in lyrics.” After reading the reviews for that album I realized that the only opinion/vision that matter is really the artist. I will either enjoy it or not but at least they will stay true to their art.

246. melanieannemarie - 11:24 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I think what Frank is saying is that those bands have raised the bar, and increased the level of sophistication and adventurousness in songwriting, vocals, lyrics, layering, instrumentation, depth, creativity, and production that many music lovers expect to hear, and that this album just doesn’t cut it by comparison.
This record is just kind of flat and sounds like a lot of other stuff everyone has heard before. When I listen to it I feel like I did when the Zwan record came out. There was so much energy in the live shows Zwan did, but the album itself was a pale, limp imitation of it. Something got lost in translation, there was so much potential in the demos and live performances that never got realized in the finished record.

247. The other Phillip - 11:32 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Great album as a whole. Very creative and lots of colors. Glad to hear so much of Nicole’s vocals. Could not ask for anything better. Pinwheels is my favorite.

248. Phillip - 11:37 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@melanieannemarrie Everything is just opinion but really those other bands to me are no different than the Neil Young’s and the Bob Dylan’s of the world. The idea of originality is not even original anymore.

I went to the live shows and these songs were a bit different had a little more fire I would say but also I think what lacked in the shows that gets put into this album is atmosphere, Post- MCIS The Pumpkins have been atmospheric band, and even in those previous albums they had atmosphere in Rhinoceros/Space Boy/Mayonaise/Galapogos. To me for a fan it’s what you view the Pumpkins to be. The days of the Big Muff PI pedal dominated records are over, if those fans need those albums they have them.

249. Is he one? - 11:38 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@246. melanieannemarie
I really don’t see how I could disagree with you more. It seems like either you didn’t give the album enough time or else you don’t know anything about music. This album has got that “something”, definitely.

Anyway, I feel sorry for you. Sincerely. :)

250. Phillip - 11:41 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@the other Phillip: Damn what a great name…

251. dustrock - 11:46 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Let’s see what’s improved:

(1) Most consistent album since Adore, no real groaners, although Wildflower sounds a little too similar to P&C to me;

(2) Best backing vocals we’ve probably ever heard on a SP album; remember the “Million Billy Choir” from Zeitgeist?

(3) Mix has definitely improved from recent efforts, although it’s still not all the way there;

(4) Use of synths is far, far, far better than TBK and that was my biggest fear;

(5) Better use of dynamics;

(6) Far better lyrics.

As much as Billy says he doesn’t read fan criticism, if that’s true, he himself came to the same conclusions many of us have had about the “SP 2.0” material.

What’s missing?

(1) Still don’t think there are any all-time classic songs here, although The Celestials has potential to be.

(2) His singing is actually quite good on the album, but the vocal mix is just too dry – his nasal voice just cuts through the mix, although it’s more apparent in some songs than others.

All in all, I’m very happy, this is better music than I thought he was capable of at this point.

And though he has often contradicted himself, he was right on the nose when he said it was a full band effort, and that it would be a sound that has familiar elements but is really something we haven’t heard before.

I hope this gets great reviews and publicity, but I still can’t help but feel he should just call the band “Billy Corgan & the Celestials”.

252. Snakester - 11:54 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Glissandra upon a second listen is way better to me this morning for some reason. It’s just one of those songs that doesn’t seem to fit on the album at first listen, but then it has its place for sure as time goes on. I don’t know, but I really liked it this time around. Every other song is amazing to me.

253. axelease - 11:57 am // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Pomp & Circumstances > Wildflower

254. colquittbrett - 12:03 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

On listen 4, and I’m gonna try to keep track of how many times I get those shivers up and down my spine that only happens when my soul seems to vibe on good things. So far? TWICE. Only on Panopticon.

I wonder if Billy started listening to Isis.

255. colquittbrett - 12:05 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

People suddenly like Pomp? Wasn’t that track shit on for sounding like Billy Corgan Barbershop Orchestra covering Enya? I dunno, man. I think Zeitgeist the Song would have been a better official closer than that track. /shrug Opinions, we have them and differ.

256. Kiernana - 12:06 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012


257. Jack Tripper - 12:14 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

As a fan who’s been somewhat burnt out on this band the last few years, but would still list them as my favorite band out of some sort of loyalty, I can now wave my SP freak flag proudly once again.

This has that perfect combination of walls of guitars and tripped-out that drew me to them in the first place almost 20 years ago, which started my lifelong obsession with searching for bands that have a similar combination, from MBV and Ride in the 90’s to The Black Ryder and Morning After Girls today. Oceania stands proudly next to any of those bands, and even gives the SP classics of the 90’s a run for their money, though it’s probably a bit too early to say.

258. Is he one? - 12:18 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Hum, getting better and better and BEST IN YEARS!!!! :)
I’m so amazed. It just feels so good.
“The Celestials”, right now, stands as my favorite but it is SO hard to tell. Pinwheels is also close.

259. JCelsius - 12:27 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012


I enjoy all those bands you mentioned to an extent, but I wouldn’t say they’re pushing anything more than anyone else. Really it seems like they’re all trying their best to copy one another (EVERYONE copies Fleet Foxes). Maybe at one time they pushed the bar, but now they’re just imitations of one another and it shows. The thing the Pumpkins have that none of those bands have, is their own sound. No one makes music like the Pumpkins. People say the Silversun Pickups sound like the mighty SP, but I don’t hear it.

@Is he one

I think it’s pretty silly that if someone disagrees with you opinion you say they either haven’t listened to the album enough or don’t know anything about music. You’re talking out of your ass right now, to be quite frank. People are allowed to disagree and this album is not the second coming of Christ. It’s a good album. It’s even a good Pumpkins album, but I can understand someone not enjoying it. It’s definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

My personal verdict on the album after three-ish listens? I’d give it a 7.5/10. I could see that maybe bumping up to an 8 after another listen or two.

260. colquittbrett - 12:37 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

When that acoustic guitar drops in the middle of Oceania, and then suddenly vocal harmonies that work… I normally hate the epic centerpieces (GATGC, United States), but Oceania is just fucking brilliant. The crazy tribal ending is refreshing, almost. It’s weird.

Billy has never sounded better, and that’s because Nicole, Mike, and Jeff are there. This sounds more like a band than a “Billy Corgan Production,” and that feeling has been missing for a while.

261. Is he one? - 12:43 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012


I think I don’t care! ;)

262. jjb - 12:56 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Wildflower x 2 = Strayz + P&C

263. AK - 12:58 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Am I the only one who thinks the album would be better without Quasar and Panopticon?

264. axelease - 1:04 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@AK — yes, you are the only one.

265. colquittbrett - 1:07 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@AK – I love both of those songs, but could you imagine if the first things you heard were Glissandra and Inkless instead? That would have been way more mind-blowing. But really, their placement at the end of the album is actually more mind-blowing. So never mind. Carry on.

266. chris - 1:13 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@jjb: And Farewell and Goodnight = P&C – Strayz, so by solving for Strayz we get Strayz = 2Wildflower – P&C and Farewell and Goodnight = P&C – 2Wildflower – P&C = 2Wildflower. And you scoff at my attempts to bring mathematical ratings into play when judging songs! :)

267. Corgan to sing for “Cruise” audience tonight on the lake by his city « Hipsters United - 1:14 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

[…] on this “Oceania Cruise” not only will check out the new Pumpkins album (now streaming in full on iTunes, if by some chance you managed to miss that) but also likely be treated to a brief live set by […]

268. chris - 1:16 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Actually, my math is rusty. F&G = P&C – (2Wildflower – P&C), so it really is 2P&C – 2Wildflower. But my point still stands, look at how precise this is!

269. axelease - 1:21 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@Chris — I think we can safely assume that Luna > 2(Wildflower + P&C + Strayz). How then might we evaluate F&G?

270. AK - 1:24 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@axelease Thanks for that. I needn’t wait for 100’s of answers now :)

I dunno, I’m on listen 3 now and the album is losing its luster… I thought the opposite would happen. There are magic moments – but there’s too much repetition in the songs. The first 2 in particular are just pedestrian, OHOD could be glorious if that chorus melody didn’t just completely take over the song. I don’t know when Corgan lost his sense of when something gets boring because he used to be utterly exhilarating as a songwriter…

271. Kiernana - 1:24 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

*you guys*… smh

272. colquittbrett - 1:28 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I read 2P&C as 2PAC. It makes a ton more sense that way.

273. Dystopic - 1:28 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I’d axe Quasar and Panopticon for sure. Quasar’s the weakest Pumpkins album opener by a country mile (Doomsday Clock is a distant second). The drums on these two tracks are particularly bad. The rest of the album is much better.

274. behold! tonight pistol pete and 33 bullets with muzzled wings - 1:30 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

i can’t wait to buy the cd and then open the cd booklet and smell it. cd booklets always smell like old cheese.

275. Kiernana - 1:48 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I always found MCIS and especially the Aeroplane Flies High to have great scents.

276. behold! tonight pistol pete and 33 bullets with muzzled wings - 1:55 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

i found that aeroplane had a strong smell than mcis

277. arbitraryhandle - 1:56 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Speaking of ‘Zeitgeist’ the song? Does anybody know where I can download it? Buy it?

278. behold! tonight pistol pete and 33 bullets with muzzled wings - 1:57 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

the booklets for aeroplane and machina had the strongest smells imo

279. monocoque - 1:59 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

As I listen to the album, I think Mike’s drumming on Quaser and Panopticon in recent live performance is apparently better than studio version. His part was recorded, wut, 1 year ago???? If he did recording now it would be noticeably better I guess. They shouldve re-recorded drums part during winter, in Feb or March!

280. Sean - 2:00 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

(Daydream + F&G) x (17 x P&C) – AoI = 0.0089 Luna…. Which means that F&G = Spaced x AoI.

When dealing with mathematical equations I tend to just sort of guess, then check. I usually come out looking like Russel Crowe from A Beautiful mind….in that I’m solving a nonsensical problem nobody asked me to solve…

281. Kiernana - 2:02 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Machina…the scent was certainly strong with that one.
And Aeroplane was a tad more fragrant than MCIS, I’d agree. It’s due to those albums specifically that I smell every new cd I get when I open it. None are ever on par. :-( Maybe Oceania!

282. Sean - 2:11 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

MCIS had the strongest scent for me. I bought it at a Barnes and Noble so I think that amplified it.

283. JCelsius - 2:16 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

This thread has degraded into bad math and discussions of which album smells better. Get some sleep people!

284. CRB - 2:17 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

The iTunes stream not working anymore for anyone else? It was working great for me last night, but now it dies after 10 or 15 seconds.

285. sporo - 2:21 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

i imagine that initially there is no scent to booklets but billy sits at home and rubs cheese over the booklets before sliding them into the cd cases.

286. Kiernana - 2:26 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Does someone want to come up with an obnoxious math equation relating the scents of Pumpkins albums? Maybe JCelsius is right… Are we starting to come down off the Oceania high?

287. axelease - 2:26 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I don’t remember any scent to MCIS; perhaps it was faint.

In contrast, Machina definitely had a strong smell which I think was due to the booklet paper having a matte rather than glossy finish. American Gothic was similar it smell and feel.

288. Kiernana - 2:34 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

That’s true. It certainly has a lot to do with the booklet. The lyric booklet to MCIS>the pictures/credits booklet to MCIS. I also find the cd itself can have degrees of scent, based on what’s printed on it.

289. cisco ip phone 7945 - 2:39 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

i always felt that booklet for machina was greasy…kinda like a pimple face teenager.

290. axelease - 3:04 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@Kiernana. You’re right, I forgot about the MCIS lyric book: it was matte paper. As for the CD itself, I wonder what image/art will be on it? I’m hoping for some kind of picture disc.

291. DyingHorseBlues - 3:08 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Is this joke? There are a dozen comments about the scents of paper booklets? Wth?

292. doug - 3:08 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Listened through Pinwheels…I’m not sold yet. This one is going to take a few listens to “get it.”

293. Sean - 3:19 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

So in conclusion, fans are agreed. This is the best album SP has ever put out that failed to live up to its hype while surprising everyone by exceeding expectations. The production is sleek and solid, with songs suffering from the studio process. It is clearly the most accessible album that has no single. The highlights are tracks 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12, and 13. With some of the weaker tracks being 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12, and 13. Fans of the old pumpkins will scorn it with contempt while welcoming it with open arms. Newer fans of the band will immediately take to it after half a dozen listens with the album degrading after each listen.
In mathematical form it can be viewed as:
Siamese Dream > Oceania > Zeitgeist

The potential smell of the cd sleeve has yet to be determined.

If one thing it is certain, it is that any self-conscious artist would do well to never read anything said on the internet for fear they may take their own lives.

…and as always Mike Byrne is the greatest drummer who fails miserably trying to be Jimmy Chamberlain.

294. behold! tonight pistol pete and 33 bullets with muzzled wings - 3:21 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

no joking. those booklets really do smell. go inhale them.

295. behold! tonight pistol pete and 33 bullets with muzzled wings - 3:25 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

i am hoping the oceania booklet smells like the beach/ocean.

296. Dystopic - 3:26 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

The guitar/synth melody of Pale Horse is reminiscent of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL478810D9C4B5E436&v=4KIzhfHQ438&feature=player_detailpage#t=54s

Funny, someone in the video comments noticed it too.

297. Eric B - 3:51 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Oceania is the best SP record since Machina. Its also the most beautiful pumpkins record I’ve ever heard. I’ve been getting a spiritual vibe from this record,very intense! I had high hopes for Oceania since I heard about it. This album was not a let down at all. Its just so beautiful and powerful.

298. Stinstrom3 - 3:58 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

This record is different but still very much an SP record. Love it.

299. Topher - 4:03 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

LOL I totally forgot about Skysaw. Didn’t forget about Jimmy, or JCC, but Skysaw was as forgotten as Marcy Playground.

300. Kiernana - 4:05 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Sean, you summed it up perfectly. Thank you for the lulz.

And I’m hoping for a very scented album with this one. I wonder what kind of effect the digipak will have on it’s overall smell… A picture disc would be lovely.

I am seriously a bit high off finally hearing this album.

301. Saturnineage - 4:17 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Just incredible. I am blown away by the beauty of it all.

The guitars during the chorus of Panopticon = PURE BLISS

302. David - 4:33 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

is the stream just cutting off after a few seconds for anyone else?

303. CRB - 4:38 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

It was for me a bit earlier today, but after I closed out iTunes, waited awhile, then tried again, it worked fine. I don’t know if it’s just got too much traffic (my hope) or what, but I’d just give it another try a little later.

304. David - 4:39 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

hmm yeah, damn, i dont think its just the oceania stream, i tried streaming some samples of other songs and they were doing the same thing. of course when i actually have some time to listen to the full thing straight through

305. doug - 4:47 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

2nd listen.


vocals are little loud for my liking, but everything else is pretty sweet so far.

306. Johnny - 5:09 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

You know, the first time I listened to the album, I let myself enjoy it. But this second time I remembered that I was supposed to be critical and now it kind of sucks. Too bad for Billy, huh?

307. Johnny - 5:10 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

But seriously…Violet Rays….so good….I died….

308. Spumkins33 - 5:35 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I love how pumpkin fans critiquing the album all of the sudden become studio engineers and talk about how they don’t like how loud/quiet this or that is in the mix. Let’s hear what you’ve produced!

309. colquittbrett - 6:06 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I love how Hipsters United is giving AVClub and Stereogum shit. It’s just adorable.

310. melanieannemarie - 6:06 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@Is he the one Here’s another conclusion you could come to: This is all subjective and not everyone is going to respond the same way to the same things.

311. 34 - 7:38 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@sporo: “didn’t he say someone heard it and cried hysterically, while another person punched several babies in the face and then ate 7.5 party sized pizzas?”

LMAO This is the kind of comment that needs an @Oatmeal illustration

312. Matthew Rhodes - 7:46 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Wow! I read all these comments and Just had to go check this out! And honestly take a listen! I’ve been an SP/Billy Corgan fan since I was about 12yrs old. I’m 29 now, Zeitgeist wasn’t my favorite at all. American Gothic meh. Oceania.. Sounds like American Gothic 2.0. Very disappointing. Nothing from the Father of Grunge. Nothing was driving, Nothing was unique. heck everything that opened with a synth was predictable. I understand Billy isn’t perfect but, damn. Everything STILL sounds like the Zeitgeist Era. I’ll keep Supporting (buying into projects) Billy on his silly ideas until one day, Glass pushes Billy over then takes creative control The Smashing Pumpkins….. I miss you Billy Corgan.. I really do. ~ Ghost Child.

313. jack - 7:48 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

It’s really quite mediocre (I would say terrible). People “blown” away by this uninspired derivative crap fest not only have horrible taste but unfortunately are joining Billy in fucking over the “smashing pumpkins” discography. I wish he’d stop making music or at least avoid using that name. That way only the people with a specific appreciation of this awful music will keep paying attention to his “musical journey”. He doesn’t deserve any attention on the basis of his post-breakup work at all unlike Bjork, David Byrne or Spiritualized. I wonder why they don’t release music under their previous monikers! I suppose get it while you can. ~a sp fan in fifth stage of grief

314. Kiernana - 8:16 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

“Father of grunge”??! That’s funny. Although I realize the Pumpkins were lumped in with that movement long ago, I’ve always bristled anytime someone calls them that.

315. redhawk - 8:21 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I haven’t liked much of what Billy has put out since Zwan besides a few songs here and there, but I’m really digging this album. For once it seems like he is content on just making the music he wants to make and not worry about sales. Every song is very strong, but I don’t hear many singles if any at all. I think this could win some album of the year awards.

316. Matthew Rhodes - 8:30 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Silence Kierana… and stay bristled.

317. JCelsius - 8:30 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@Matthew Rhodes

Really? You think this sounds like Zeitgeist and American Gothic? Couldn’t disagree more. Of course when you call Billy “the Father of Grunge” I think it says a lot about your expectations of Billy and the Pumpkins in general.


I’m not “blown away” by this album, but it’s better than you let on. I don’t think there is any reason for Billy to change the name. This fits in just fine with the extensive Pumpkins discography. If you think there is a definite sound to the Pumpkins catalog, listen to “Come On”, “Rotten Apples”, “Annie Dog”, “Drown”, and “In My Body” in order and tell me what it is. One of the things I’ve loved about the Pumpkins is never being able to expect what comes next. Oceania is a fairly solid album. I don’t much care for “My Love Is Winter” or “Pinwheels”, but not ever song is going to be the next “Geek USA” for me.

318. Justin - 8:52 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

This album is the opposite of what Zeitgeist was.

For the record, I love Zeitgeist, let me get that out of the way.

Compare the two (and lump in AG if you want to)… Zeitgeist sounds forced, like it’s TRYING to be the Smashing Pumpkins. Bleeding the Orchid is a prime example of that. It’s so close to being something from MCIS (…well, a b-side at least), but it comes up short.

Oceania sounds like he’s not trying, in a good way. “Let’s write some songs, not force it, and see what happens” kind of mentality. Where, with Zeitgeist, it was “We sounded like THIS, right?”

On Adore, he wasn’t trying to write MCIS 2. On Machina, he wasn’t trying to remake SD. Zeitgeist, again, I love it, but it sounds like Thanksgiving leftovers, warmed up. Sure, it’s almost the same, it pretty much tastes the same, but it’s not, no matter how hard it tries to be.

Oceania sounds like a man who’s okay with where he is, where his band is, and is writing songs that he likes, not songs that he thinks YOU’LL like…

Or something.

319. Justin - 8:54 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Sounds like, tastes like, whatever… you get what I’m trying to say.

320. doug - 9:05 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

A band is best when it writes songs that remind you of previous efforts but offer something more than what you’ve already heard. My ears tell me they did that. (3rd listen)

321. Spumkins33 - 9:05 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Please. Tell me how you don’t like the vocals in the mix.

322. doug - 9:17 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

They are loud on Quasar…and get better with time. Anything else?

323. andrew - 9:28 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

i’ll keep my comment simple so that no one shits on it and so that i don’t sound like a pompous ass. I like this album.

324. DyingHorseBlues - 9:31 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

After the horrible ear stabbing of Zeitgeist, I don’t know how anyone could complain about the vocals. These are lower in volume than a lot of Adore tracks.

325. sporo - 9:32 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

you haven’t tried my cooking…thankgiving turkeys taste just like cooked cds.

326. gsmamz - 10:45 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I really don’t understand the awkward fadeout on the song Oceania, or why they didn’t keep the same type of intro on Quasar as the live version.

Anyone get a Whole Lotta Love vibe from those noises in Quasar?

327. bobs marvellous melons - 10:47 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

some of its good .. really good.
some of its silly – too many synths – i mean whats that silly bit in Oceania all about, how does that in any way help the progression of the song

as usual these days better live than the record – admit that pale horse is pretty nice version tho

328. Robert Koh - 11:09 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

have listened to the album about twice now.

Stand out tracks –
the chimera – Feels like zwan, really catchy, fun guitar work. would make a decent single.
glissandra – Love that screwdriver riff, probably the most unique guitar work on the album.
pale horse – great production, only song that doesn’t sound like the band is trying too hard
oceania – better live, but still a top tune
one diamond – refreshing break in sound. ive always liked the weird electro oddities like appels n oranges.

The rest seem a little forgetable..Panaopticon is growing on me like a zwan song.

i still can’t like quasar, the lyrics are horrible, and the wah wah is a bit over the top. Sounds like cherub/superchrist with the spirit of astral planes..at times the song reminds me of Tool (not a bad thing).

329. Joe@joe.com - 11:13 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

I love One Diamond One Heart.
From now it on it shall be referred to as 1D1H

330. jcoriha - 11:14 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012

@gsmamz Quasar reverse slide guitar fills TOTAL Whole Lotta Love

331. jack - 11:41 pm // Tuesday, June 12, 2012


It has been by far the most expected and least original or progressive recording under the “smashing pumpkins” name (and since I personally I don’t find anything interesting about the songs I call it mediocre). By that criteria alone it fails. I strongly agree that every step in SP discography up to machina has been a radical leap forward with mind blowingly beautiful songs that on the whole received unrivaled commitment to their quality, that’s why the discography is truly stunning.
Beating a dead horse: but this sort of postbreakup mediocre journey should be “billy corgan” or something else – that way if its actually good the name billy will be something to reckon with and people other than billy fans will embrace it for its quality rather than its name. I think everybody knows that would be impossible given his current lack of talent/creativity so the most profitable thing for him to do is sell tickets as SP. Unfortunately, this mediocrity will be in the SP section as the record store (where so far only a tiny bit of crap resides i.e. Zeitgeist), unlike the class of material it should be categorized with (zwan and billy corgan are usually not included in SP discography.. thankfully)

332. JCelsius - 12:00 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012


I just disagree, man. Then again, I also enjoy bit of Zeitgeist, TFE, and Zwan which you seem to hate, so I wouldn’t expect any less.

333. DyingHorseBlues - 12:14 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

“has been by far the most expected and least original or progressive recording under the “smashing pumpkins” name”

Excuse me, if you seek to lavish praises on a progressive and original Pumpkins work, give it to Teargarden. That broke a lot of barriers that the band had never ventured before. I always have to laugh when people say the music of today is unoriginal, but seem to be completely oblivious that SD and MCIS are “Pop Songwriting and Tropes 101.” Not that it’s a bad thing; I still love those records very much. What do you mean by unoriginal? You mean Billy failed to reinvent the spectrum of sound with this record? You mean he used the twelve notes that have made up the tens of millions of western songs that have been used for half a millennia? What are you looking for exactly? It blends a heavy rock sound with synth, a sound that had never been explored by this band before. It puts the sound over wonderful catchy pop songwriting of a caliber I thought Corgan had lost forever. Unoriginal? What?

“I think everybody knows that would be impossible given his current lack of talent/creativity so the most profitable thing for him to do is sell tickets as SP.”

Did you even give the album a listen? I really can’t square a claim of lack of talent with the amazing soundscape that was released last night. Even if it is not your cup of tea, not just anyone could make what Oceania is. The options that seem apparent to me are; you are either a troll, have not listened to the album with any care or real attention, or you value the Pumpkins for qualities that I can’t even conceptualize.

“Unfortunately, this mediocrity will be in the SP section as the record store (where so far only a tiny bit of crap resides i.e. Zeitgeist),”

You keep spitting out “mediocrity!” as if it’s going out of style, but I have yet to hear a valid criticism to back up your assertion. On other pages I have read some well thought out defenses for why some people didn’t connect to the record, and I agree on some of their points even, but you seem to just throw out your opinion and expect us to take it at face value.

Basically, I’m asking if you can point to anything that shows a failing of the songwriting or production, or execution of the record, and not just your own lack of connection with the music. You can hate all day, sure, you have your opinion, but when you begin to assert it is mediocre as a fact that all music people should see, I’d like to see a little backup if you want to give it.

334. derek - 12:40 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

i’ve listened to it twice. not really blown away like i was expecting. kinda let down. i need to listen to it more, but for now, i like the teargarden EP songs much more.

335. jack - 12:51 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

Heavy rock and synth was “melded” to perfection on Machina I 12 years ago.

336. DyingHorseBlues - 1:02 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

I wouldn’t ever describe Machina as a synthy record though. It has the backseat for sure. On this one, it is brought front and center, to great aplomb. Where Machina was a post-shoegaze record, this one… is something else entirely. I mean, where does synth play the role of heavy rock and synth melded? As far as I know Everlasting Gaze is the only song that might meet that criteria. Within the song and exclusive to it, no less, not even as an album identity. All the other rockers on the album are guitar effect heavy, but don’t feature synth to any noticeable degree.So let me get this straight;

You are judging Oceania based on a benchmark that ONE SINGLE song encompasses? Or am I just totally missing your point?

337. listers_mullet - 1:48 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

Yeah, I guess it was about time for the trolls to venture out of the woodwork.

338. gsmamz - 2:20 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

Anyone else feel like Inkless is a bizarre (and enjoyable) mix of Siamese Dream and The Future Embrace?

339. rapapapa - 3:05 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

All the people in the podcast, saying that its not SD2.. duh, of course it isnt. all the people who said that, were referring to early demos of Oceania.. The final resut is like the fusion of all the SP albums, and BC solo and Zwan., imo

340. Graves - 5:49 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

everybody gets the “i will be special K” is a drug reference, not a cereal reference right? I listen to a bit of the podcast and everybody was laughing about that line for some reason

341. jack - 5:58 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012


why is it mediocre? one objective reason (among a few other reasons…) is because with respect to SP’s discog it is not progressive.

why is it not progressive? maybe the best way to answer that for you is that cheesy synth lines mixed in with music that is derivative of yesteryear doesn’t = progress. that would be like saying Zeitgeist was revolutionary for sp because billy decided to overdub his voice like 90 times for every song. I cannot believe you suggested something like adding synth lines as progressive in the same way billy was before the breakup. wtf.

well what do i mean by progressive anyways? Billy set the standard himself with the radically categorical jumps he made between gish sd mcis adore and machina. each jump saw a radical change sonically, instrumentally, lyrically..everything… (and i’m not saying he should constantly reinvent all music, but you can measure his growth or lacktherof with respect to his own discog)

342. Kiernana - 7:12 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

I believe some people’s expectations were/are not based in reality. No offence! Like the songs on the album or not, and I respect the opinions of those that don’t like them or can’t connect with them, it’s baffling to me that some may not be able to recognize the amount of effort and heart that was evidently put into them. I think the songwriting on the songs is a victory by itself. The arrangements are good (hate to keep going back to it, but The Celestials is a great example of excellent arrangement and instrumentation execution) and I can’t wait to listen to it in a purer form (not via stream) to hear all the aural treats waiting to be discovered.

343. Joe - 9:23 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

Jack – you wouldn’t call the sonic/instrumental change betwee Oceania and Zeitgeist, let alone Oceania and Machina, radical? Its not like the album is treading old territory or anything, its a completely new sound. I hate this argument of “there is no growth” blah blah blah. Name me another SP tune that sounds like 1D1H, Celestials, Pinwheels, etc. Just because it isn’t an Electric Space Theatre doesn’t mean that it isn’t progressive.

I need to find a way to listen to this stream in my car. I’m surprised there aren’t any rips on youtube yet.

344. Johnny - 11:06 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

@Jack, I’m sorry, but if you substitute the word “progressive” with “good”, your argument is basically the “Old Pumpkins” were good, and the “New Pumpkins” aren’t. Which is fine, you don’t have to enjoy the album, and if you had just said “this isn’t my favorite”, I don’t think anyone would have given you a hard time.
However, when you go around trying to devalue something dear to us fans (EXACTLY what Billy was talking in his Antiquiet interview), we get a little steamed. So here’s where we stand. It’s been well documented that in terms of songwriting, Billy is trying many new things with Oceania. Violet Rays is a power-blues balad that really cannot even be compared to anything he’s released on record, for instance, and the highly folky, storytelling introduction to The Celestials seems more similar to Bob Dylan than to Siamese Dream to my ear. As pointed out by many above, he has also evolved beyond simply using basic tropes of pop-radio, while still integrating them where he sees fit. Moreover, the songs are all in a variety of keys and time signatures, often within a single song.
Now let’s talk about “sonic leaps forward”. On this album, Billy, Jeff, Mike and Nicole use electric guitar, acoustic guitar, and synth in roughly equal measure (something fairly unique to his catalouge). Moreover, he features a variety of synth effects (the 8-bit sound on Pale Horse, classic Mellotron on Oceania, arrpegiated Ichabod lines on Pinwheels). There is also some sort of Oboe on Pale Horse, Timpony on Pale Horse, and Oceania, (both firsts for Billy) and violin on Wildflower. Not to mention the extensive backing vocals throughout, somehing done occasionally in SP1, but hardly ever with other vocalists, and never on every single song. So those are just a few things that seem “progressive”.
Lastly, I would question if THIS degree of songwriting and musicianship isn’t “progressive”, what would be? I would challenge you to NEARLY this many differences in sound between, say, Gish and Siamese Dream (“One has like, four guitar over dubs and the other has, like, sevety…”)
Wordz iz cheap.

345. eyeamone - 11:28 am // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

After a complete uninterupted listen I found myself having many thoughts and reactions toward this album. Mostly positive and just finding some sound effects a bit odd. To just sum up the album in its entirety I would call it Beautiful.

346. yoddie ride on - 12:29 pm // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

tim pony = timpani

347. Johnny - 12:53 pm // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

Thanks yoddie. I was in rant mode, there was no way I was going to spell check. Better than “big drum though. :p

348. yoddie ride on - 1:00 pm // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

…but then again it maybe possible that a studio engineer named tim pony was present during the recording of pale horse.

349. Angel - 1:32 pm // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

Comparative to the idealization behind Siamese Dream, and its utterly blown Machina out of the water as my favorite SP album. As a whole it sounds better than Mellon Collie, every damn song is a winner. Furthermore if Zeitgeist had been this album, no one would’ve bitched or question Billy’s decision to bring SP back. Just god damn what an amazing album,

350. ddb - 2:17 pm // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

I am still waiting for the release date to listen to the whole thing, but I listened to the first two songs … holy crap, I can’t get them out of my head. They are pulverizing, yet stir my emotions in a really weird & sad way. The production is big and well-balanced, and the song arrangements are surprising — I can’t wait for the 19th!! Super exciting.

351. werideatdusk - 2:55 pm // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

heard the album at the cruise yesterday, gonna wait for vinyl to listen again. all i can say is this has all the markings of a great SP album, and, like Adore and Machina, will take a few listens (or years of listening) to truly digest.

352. Kiernana - 5:16 pm // Wednesday, June 13, 2012

I have listened to the stream a number of times now, and I actually think it’s one of the easiest Pumpkins albums to get straight back into once you’ve reached the end. I don’t think I will listen anymore before I get my physical copy, but I think this one is a winner in that, on first listen it’s striking and catching, but it definitely does have enough going on that there are things waiting to be found that will require multiple listens down the line. Longevity of an album is crucial, and I believe this one may have it.

353. M&M - 7:47 pm // Thursday, June 14, 2012

OK so for SOME reason I wasn’t BLOWN AWAY after the first listen as I was expecting, the vocals seemed kind of high and it didn’t seem cold or isolationist to me. With that said, I’m withholding judgement until I hear the hi-fi version next Tuesday and like Zeitgeist and TbK, I’m sure I’ll need a couple listens before I jump on board.

354. mentchy - 8:12 pm // Thursday, June 14, 2012

some songs you can possibly say are crap if you really want to but the celestials, pinwheels, violet rays, mliw, and pale horse and just simply great music. that is a fact…is is the emotional grandeur of disarm ,tonight tonite, stand inside your love….no i gave up already on billy getting back there. if you get over that hump youll aprecciate this disk…btw i put tom tom on my cd after mliw works gr8!

355. Jack Tripper - 11:15 pm // Thursday, June 14, 2012

I’m lucky to have a local record store owner who’s PRETTY DAMN AWESOME, so I was able to snag a copy early. Seriously not trying to rub it in, just wanted to say that the sound quality is infinitely superior to the iTunes stream, so don’t wear out the songs too much (easy for me to say, I know). But seriously, it’s worth waiting for, imo. With headphones, it’s truly an aural assault, with a lot going on that I couldn’t hear before.

BTW, it comes in the new cardboard packaging that everything seems to be released in these days, but a lot nicer than some of the shoddy ones I’ve gotten recently, like the new Jonestown Massacre, which was a piece of crap as far as packaging. Nice booklet with lyrics, giving me a new appreciation for Billy’s words here. Very poetic, and not Zwan 2.0, as I initially thought. The only negative is that the booklet doesn’t have the awesome smell that i remember from Adore and Machina. Anyway, go bug your local record dealer! They may have it in already. I know mine always gets high-profile releases the week before, so it doesn’t hurt to ask!

356. 34 - 2:48 am // Friday, June 15, 2012

Damn. I remember when my local music store guy knew me as that crazy Pumpkins fan, and -showed- me the MCISes that’d come in early, but he still wouldn’t let me buy one. :P” oh well.

Damn- already racked up about 20 listens, straight through work the last 2 days. Today I’m mixing it up & adding the other TbK tracks to the mix. XD Maybe I should listen to something else for a while… heheh

357. 34 - 2:52 am // Friday, June 15, 2012

Damn, I just started 2 paragraphs in a row with ‘damn’. Damn, this makes 3. Damn, now I’m doing it with sentences! Damn! Damn! Damn! XD

358. ziggy23 - 10:30 am // Friday, June 15, 2012

the weakest sp album ever

359. Phillip - 9:39 pm // Friday, June 15, 2012

I listened to this album several times since it was released on iTunes to stream. The entire album is growing on me which is awesome. I had seen the songs off of this album live, and enjoyed them all. When I listened to the stream I wasn’t a fan of Violet Ray or 1D1H but now after several listens I really dig both of those tracks, At first I agreed with the podcast and really didn’t want 1D1H as a single but I think it would be awesome as a single.

360. eyeamone - 12:31 pm // Saturday, June 16, 2012

After many listens nowi can see 4 potential singles. I do not know what order to release them to make the biggest impact on the ordinary rock or alterative listener. However I’m going to take a stab at it.

single #1 The Celestials
This song touches on all areas of the albums sound. I do not know if this would be the best single but if this song draws enough interest in the average listener then we would have a good start.

single #2 Panopticon
This song sounds like the pumpkins of yesteryear. The chorus reminds me of Simease dream all the why. Mikes drumming is tremedous. The song starts out strong grabbing your attention right away drawing you in. I honestly think this would be a very good single.

single #3 Violet Rays
This is a work of genius. I think This would take the album over the top. Easily one of the best written songs on the album which one would normally say radio doesnt deserve the best of what an album offers. But believe me there are many more songs on the album that are too beautiful for the radio.

single #4 Inkless
This song has the potential to be the first or second single. I think this is the most radio friendly song on the album. Mikes drumming is flawless. i totally get why Corgan calls him a groove drummer. Perfect example here. Great riff and guitar solo.

361. skullivan - 1:07 pm // Saturday, June 16, 2012

Got my CD Thursday afternoon, listened for the first(and second and third) time last night with a couple of equally huge SP fans and everyone loved it. I can’t wait to sit down and give it a listen on my headphones since there was, unsurprisingly, a lot of discussion going on the whole time.

As for the CD itself, the packaging is pretty nice. It has a serviceable but plainly designed booklet (complete with Nicole’s last name spelled Florentino) which has no mention of TBK anywhere.

Standouts for me are Panopticon, The Chimera, and Pale Horse. Not really feeling One Diamond One Heart (O, DOH!) or Wildflower but I can see them growing on me.

362. hneely - 4:57 pm // Saturday, June 16, 2012

Can’t stream…it dies for me both on the US and UK iTunes after anywhere between 4 and 12 sec. Even if I try to skip ahead in the stream same time frame till it dies. Very disappointed but I know its two days away so I can’t wait. If anybody has a fix that has worked for them let me know.

363. Jack Tripper - 8:54 pm // Saturday, June 16, 2012

@hneely- Wish I could help. The other day there was a blog that had a high-quality stream, but it seems to have disappeared, cuz I can’t find it now. I had the same problem a couple times with Itunes, possibly due to high traffic? But then it worked perfectly later at night. I say just try again periodically. Good luck!

364. redhandcorgan - 9:37 am // Sunday, June 17, 2012

If you think this album is better then zeitgiest then you are fooling yourself

365. Jack Tripper - 10:42 am // Sunday, June 17, 2012

Well, considering I’ve already listened to this twice as many times, I disagree. I never felt connected with Zeitgeist. It had no “soul,” for lack of a better term, imo. This does. Different strokes for different folks.

366. redhandcorgan - 5:15 pm // Sunday, June 17, 2012

Yeah i think what oceania is missing is MORT SYNTH!!

367. David - 6:37 pm // Sunday, June 17, 2012

After four listens, I can already say it’s easily the best body of work they’ve put together since the band’s return in 2007 (“Owata” is probably their best individual song). Where it ranks amongst their highest-regarded albums from the 90s probably can’t be determined for another several months, if not years, but this is a very good album. It’s certainly the best-produced album Billy has ever made. Every SP album has little production quirks that separate it from the others, but this one is fairly straight-forward and just beautiful to listen to. As much as I love the risks Billy has always taken in the studio, this is what I’ve wanted from him for a long time. The band is so tight and it’s great to be able to hear everything that’s going on. Jeff and Nicole are the best musicians to ever play with Billy at their respective instruments, and they both make their presence felt on the album, especially Nicole. The fact that she does away with the need for a “choir of Billys” makes her worth every cent she’s being paid and more. I guess the only thing I miss a little bit are Jimmy’s flourishes that I know would have been a part of these songs, but Mike is a great drummer. It’s just hard to follow the likes of Jimmy Chamberlin.

One thing I complain about with a lot of bands I have liked over the years is how they started off young and angry, and 20 years later they are old and still angry. I can’t understand how people don’t evolve a bit more in that amount of time. But Billy is not one of those artists stuck in the past and still drawing inspiration from the same places he found it when he was 18. He seems to be a happy guy now…he’s comfortable in his own skin, and that shows in his music. In “Oceania” he has created a truly meaningful piece of work nearly 20 years after perhaps the most important album of his career, and not many artists can claim that.

368. redhandcorgan - 9:59 pm // Sunday, June 17, 2012

To me it sounds like the future embrace with some TBK along with some zwan….with some stolen synth from pink floyd

369. LeGruyere - 12:00 am // Monday, June 18, 2012

370. Is he one? - 7:07 am // Monday, June 18, 2012

You clearly weren’t willing to give to album a real chance, to begin with. Stop playing the devil’s advocate.

371. HU Podcast #91: More Oceania « Hipsters United - 6:08 am // Wednesday, June 20, 2012

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372. Eyes Of The Jackal - 9:44 am // Friday, June 22, 2012

@MelanieAnnMarie – Those bands haven’t raised the bar on dick. They are just returning to the sounds of the late 60’s and early 70’s. It’s not a bad thing, but you can’t compare these schlocky modern indie bands to the pumpkins sound. There aren’t any big time rock bands anymore, and Billy Corgan & The Pumpkin Band is big time rock music. It’s really all quite simple.
Also, I think the Adore booklet had the strongest smell. It was weird and waxy paper. But Billy may rub the booklets down with cheese before shipment. Good call.

373. Eyes Of The Jackal - 9:46 am // Friday, June 22, 2012

For what is the probable meaning of the title “Oceania” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
Read the book, kids.

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