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Tentative tracklist for Smashing Pumpkins’ “Oceania” has 12 songs 9:32 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Posted by jjb in news, oceania.

Smashing Pumpkins leader Billy Corgan shared a tentative tracklist for the upcoming album Oceania (part of the Pumpkins’ larger Teargarden by Kaleidyscope project) with his Twitter followers this morning:

Pale Horse
The Chimera
Four Winds Chime
My Love Is Winter
Special K
Violet Rays

He then issued the caveat that “all titles are subject to change.”

Of the dozen tracks listed, only fan favorite “My Love Is Winter” has been played in concert. Another song, “Quasar,” was performed a few times for small groups of fans invited to see the band soundcheck on the first leg of its 2010 American tour.

Corgan also mentioned today that “Jesus Needs a Hit,” a track he debuted at a Paris bookstore last fall, was given by him to the Electric Prunes and recorded by them prior to the death of bassist Mark Tulin in February.


1. susan - 9:38 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

“Panopticon” was listed on the setlist for the Charleston public soundcheck, but not played.


We are still missing some setlists for those public soundchecks…

2. Justin - 9:39 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Quasar was played at the Ybor/Tampa soundcheck… this makes my day. That song is so badass.

It makes up for no ‘Rome’.

3. Eric B - 9:40 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

I can’t wait to hear Quasar! I believe Billy and Co are about to release the best Pumpkins album to date.

4. AreYouHe? - 9:41 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Special K AND pinwheels? Yum!

5. Justin - 9:42 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Sad that Quasar didn’t change it’s name to ‘Samurai Mike’, like Billy suggested it would.

Oh well.

6. Cain - 9:42 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

What about the “O” at the beginning of Billy’s post? Was that a typo or the name of another song?

7. Justin - 9:49 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

I think he meant “Oceania” with the O.

8. Unlucky Lad - 9:50 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Too bad Lonely is the Name is not in it (perhaps a change of name was made.,-)

9. Kristy - 9:50 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

“Quasar” was AMAZING at the Tampa soundcheck! YAY!!!

10. Rob - 9:52 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

I took it to be a song called “O”. Which would be pretty cool. Let’s hope its got some fuzzy guitar tones and dreamy vocals… probably won’t though.

11. Manuel Panizo Vanbossel - 9:53 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Yeah, sad about Lonley. I thought if if any known song was gonna make the cut, it would be Lonely, because we have seen them all work together on that one.

12. Unlucky Lad - 9:55 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Or perhaps he saved it for the following Teargarden EP

13. sp1979 - 10:12 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Still dissapointed there is no Rome, but seeing a tracklist gets me very excited. My Love Is Winter is fantastic. Hopefully Pale Horse is a rocker.

14. Manuel Panizo Vanbossel - 10:15 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Very very excited. Did any of you gathered secret hopes that ARB would actually be included? I did. Not anymore. BC could still be messing with us, but I don’t think he’d go that far.

I’m really excited for this album. Some of the titles sound so interesting, like Panopticon and Quasar.

15. Exclaimed - 10:21 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

You all realize this has 10 (save for an awful recording, 11) songs we’ve never heard before, right? Quit complaining that there isn’t Lonely or Rome on the tracklist. All these new songs could be way better than those.

16. scottytheoneandonly - 10:26 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Looks to me like “O” was a title. Either way, I was right. almost all new tunes and well over the 10 that were announced.

17. Cain - 10:29 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Lonely was recorded under a new name.

18. Steve - 10:32 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

This is so cool. Cannot wait for a nice 2LP of this bad boy to land! Nail that bass Nicole.

19. dustrock - 10:40 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

See how much easier it is to get excited about an album? ;)

O looks like a song – I’m guessing it would be similar to the MCIS intro – a “theme” of the title track, maybe?

The only really “working title” that stands out is Special K.

20. Zen Baby - 10:48 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Hard to believe “Special K” wouldn’t be a cover of the Placebo song. Would be odd to use the same name.

21. jjb - 10:48 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Justin +1

22. Joey - 10:49 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

wasn’t special K a drug we use to do back in the 90’s? LOL

23. Manuel Panizo Vanbossel - 10:53 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

@Zen Baby. Many SP titles coincide with other band’s. Lonely is the name, for example.

24. Is he one? - 10:56 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

@Zen Baby
I’m ready to bet an easy thousand dollars that this is not a “Placebo” cover lol. Especially knowing the history between the 2 bands. Not too friendly between the 2, to say the least.
Anyway, there’s never been a cover on an “official” SP album. (Pisces isn’t official)

25. TheLoneCreature - 11:01 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

What’s the history between SP and Placebo?

26. farookh - 11:02 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Is it silly to get really excited just because of some cool song titles? If yes, then I’m a very silly person.
Also, I’m really glad we get an album, I love listening to lots of songs that I’ve never heard before.

27. Is he one? - 11:07 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011


Quickly, in the 90’s Billy used to regularly bash the band “Bush”, as you probably know. It just happens that Placebo and Bush are good friends. So since then, Brian Molko and Stefan Olsdal have been bashing Billy publicly frequently. I had not seen an answer to that from Billy until recently when he said something like that on twitter: “Placebo is a good name for that band: without effect or emotion” or something like that. Anyway, both bands clearly have friends in common (Bowie, Robert Smith, Dave Grohl, etc…) but they are official “enemies”. Sadly for the numerous fans of both bands, and that includes me. I hope that explains it well.

28. rapapapa - 11:17 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

yeah, I’ll repeat, still sad that Rome is not there, in the list. :((.. but very excited. My Love Is Winter is great. glad it will be on Oceania. Can’t wait to hear these songs :)

29. Menrad - 11:36 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

@Is he one ?
Smashing Pumpkins friends with Dave Grohl ? Hmmm, I don’t know why, but I’m not so sure… :D

Anyway, I like the tracklisting (at least the song titles). If the songs are as cool as their titles, that should be great !

30. monocoque - 11:36 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

This track list looks good and interesting, unlike Zeitgeist whose tracklist looked too straightforward and kinda shabby. Hope it will actually sound good too. But oh, Ichabod…

31. behold! tonight pistol pete and 33 bullets with muzzled wings - 11:43 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

remember when billy farted all over zen baby? i worry the same fate for quasar and winter

32. Scotty - 11:50 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

behold, I don’t think you mean “farted”. I think you mean this…

Owatasize: The act of recording, mastering and mixing a really good rock n roll song so that it sounds like a complete joke.

33. Is he one? - 11:54 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Well Billy often said he was pal with Dave. At least during the Canadian “Summersault” tour in 2000, they were buddy-buddy. I saw them laughing and hanging out “backstage”. Maybe it’s different now but Billy always had good things to say about Dave.

34. skullivan - 11:55 am // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

@Scotty: “O” is shorthand for “Oceania” which is why it has two slashes after it while all the song titles are separated by one. He probably trimmed it because the tweet had run over 140 chars.

The album was actually announced as 9-11 songs so as it stands it’s only over by one. They haven’t recorded guitar, bass, or vocals yet and he did refer to it as a tentative tracklist, so a song or two may still end up getting cut.

Exactly 3 months until September 1st!

35. ned nederlander - 12:01 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

its cool to get the tracklist but after some disappointing tgk songs i am just not that excited for oceania as i normally would have been for a sp album….more excited for the new jane’s addiction album than oceania.

36. jcoriha - 12:01 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

I’m am psyched! Viva My Love is Winter/Quasar!

37. Manuel Panizo Vanbossel - 12:08 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

@skullivan. Do you really think it will be out September 1st? Am already counting of at least a one-month delay.

38. V - 12:40 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011


Except that Owata was always a pretty boring song to begin with. I saw it live on the Anniversary tour and liked it the least out of every song in the show at that point. I’ve never understood the love for it. It’s just an OK song, especially when you hear it at show amidst Soma, Tonight Tonight, Zero, SIYL, etc.

39. skullivan - 12:43 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

@Manuel Not really, but being that they’re making steady progress it doesn’t seem unreasonable that it’ll be sometime in September. That gives them 2 months to finish and a month after that to hammer out release details. It all hinges on whether they decide to have a physical release right out of the gate or not.

40. Is he one? - 12:54 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Is EMI a part of “Oceania”? I didn’t quite understand that specific part. In a way I hope they are, it could give an album that would be more like the previous ones, with a “frame” to follow, and deadlines to respect, etc….
Not that I didn’t appreciate Teargarden so far though.

41. susan - 1:13 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011
42. Jonk - 1:24 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

I’m assuming this will be distributed through EMI

BTW I heard through a friend of a friend of a friend, that the “O” is a track of WPC going “O what-a-beautiful- … niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggghhht”
okay not really

43. dustrock - 1:54 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Yeah, I’d be shocked if this wasn’t released through EMI.

Really depends though – do you release it at the same time as the Gish/SD legacy editions, before, or after?

44. Manuel Panizo Vanbossel - 1:57 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

I guess they could make a digital release by september, but I’d find it odd if they managed to put out a physical release so soon.

45. poetryrocks - 2:02 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

all these songs and add ARB and Lonely is the Name and then that would be an album that I believe most all SP fans would be VERY satisfied with. But after saying all that, I still like the songs presented thus far. :)

46. JB - 2:11 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but wasn’t Panopticon a concept that was around in the Machina days?

47. Steve - 2:24 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

@JB – There are a lot of thematic commonalities between the Machinas and Teargarden that are ripe for exploration. I hope the fans can get their heads out of their asses and stop complaining about synth parts long enough to actually get something out of this great music.

48. AreYouHe? - 2:27 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Loved Owata on the Anniversary Tour, love the studio version now, sue me.

49. dustrock - 3:03 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

pretty sure Panopticon was one of the various Glass/Machina webpages, wasn’t it?

Other question is if this order of tracklisting means anything whatsoever.

50. Justin - 3:30 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

If the tracklisting doesn’t change, then it’s gonna end on a bang, that’s for sure.

51. chris - 3:53 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

@Justin: If so, it would be the first time.

Gish – Daydream
SD – Luna
Pisces – Spaced
MCIS – Take Me Down and Farewell and Goodnight
Adore – Blank Page/17
Machina – Age of Innocence
Zeitgeist – Pomp and Circumstances

The only one of these played with what I’d consider as an upbeat tempo is Age of Innocence. Billy seems to like to end his albums on a more soothing or slower-moving note.

52. V - 4:26 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Yeah, honestly, I don’t think heavy songs make for good closers. It’s like you’re getting pumped up for something and then nothing comes after.

I’ve always liked BC’s track listing sensibilities.

53. TheLoneCreature - 5:38 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Thanks is he one! :D

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55. Sam I Am (Not) - 7:12 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

As Rome Burns may not be on this album but it also could have undergone a name change ;) anyway, I feel this is gonna be a new direction for teargarden so I’m not expecting too much similarity to what we’ve heard so far

56. SirRobin - 7:13 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Just happy about My Love is Winter and a bunch of all new songs!

57. Johnny - 7:30 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

My Love Is Winter cannot dissapoint.

58. Seb - 7:35 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

That looks like a Smashing Pumpkins album, I hope it keeps the twelve tracks if anything.. A source close to the band tells Seb Magazine that O was the demo for Widow Wake My Mind.. True story true story..

59. Annie's Dog - 7:52 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

“My Love Is Winter cannot dissapoint.”… careful, don’t be so sure. It’s all fun and games ’til he busts out the carnival synths.

60. ddb - 8:06 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Okay, now I’m really stoked.

61. snowtrooper - 9:22 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

carnival synth + mbc = time warp sea waves

62. Johnny - 9:25 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

The synths haven’t actually bothered me that make, suprise suprise. I think the synths on Lightning Strikes are interesting and contribute to the disjointed nature of the song, and while they’re quite jarring on Owata I think after the first thirty seconds the song gains alot from the synths. That said, I’m not sure that similar synths would be appropriate on Winter or Quasar. In any event, very excitting news indeed!

63. Johnny - 9:26 pm // Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Let’s also not forget the amazing sounding FX pedals he’s had made for the Oceania album. :)

64. Jonk - 3:41 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

Susan I must have loaded the comments just before you commented. I’ve never known how to take this article, because it seems like Oceania is only associated with TbK by concept only, seems like they’re trying to make this something different than TbK.
I’m assuming there will be some sort of at least sticker or insert included with the reissues about the new album- it’ll be interesting to see how this plays out.
It’ll be very interesting to see how this album flows as an “album” since WPC states in the next couple questions how he still doesn’t believe albums are viable

65. nobody - 5:20 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

just add fuckin As Rome Burns to it and it will be perfect. now its semi perfect. period.

66. monocoque - 6:31 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

Early version of Lightning strikes played during soundcheck that selected fans were invited sounds very dynamic, liberated and spontaneous. Compared to that, studio version of that song is….a joke.

I fear the same for Quarsar.

67. Manuel Panizo Vanbossel - 6:41 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

I love Lighting Strikes and studio Owata. I’m hopeful for My Love Is Winter, it really has the potential for the heavy and beautiful that Billy has been talking about.

68. Is he one? - 6:57 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

Yeah “Owata” and “Lightning Strikes” studio are totally cool.

69. rapapapa - 7:04 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

I agree with ya

70. Justin - 8:23 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

“Early version of Lightning strikes played during soundcheck that selected fans were invited sounds very dynamic, liberated and spontaneous. Compared to that, studio version of that song is….a joke.

I fear the same for Quarsar.”

I don’t. I like the studio version of Lightning Strikes much more.

I guess the thing that most people might not think is… “What if the studio versions of these songs are THE version Billy’s heard in his head the entire time?”

Owata… major complaint is that it has synth on the song. Everyone liked the version they played on the tour. But Billy can’t bring Ichabod on the road.

So, perhaps, just maybe, he road versions of the songs were played differently because they can’t easily play the studio version live.

Either way, it is what it is. Owata and Lightning Strikes sound the way they do. Nothing to be done about it now.

I’m SURE Oceania is going to rock… it seems to me he’s going back to a simpler approach, with the fuzz pedals and all.

71. TheMicrodance - 8:32 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

The Ichabod sounds so far are not the sounds of a synth you can’t bring on the road – they sound really cheap. IMO the problem is not that the songs have synths – I love tasteful synths as much as tasteful guitars – the problem is that the sounds he’s using are reminiscent of Muse, the circus and Hammer Horror style Ozzy. The synths on TFE were stunning, the synths on TTW were tasteful and added to the tonality of the song, the synths for TEG were there to supplement the guitar and give it a massive sound, the synths on Try Try Try alt were poppy and cheesy but worked in context. Those are a few examples, in my mind, where Billy has used a synth well. Let’s not forget, you can create almost any sound with a synth, so it’s a bit obtuse to dismiss it outright!

72. rapapapa - 9:18 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

100% true

73. Sam I Am (Not) - 9:52 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

Dont see this thing costing under $40

74. Justin - 11:00 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

“the problem is that the sounds he’s using are reminiscent of Muse, the circus and Hammer Horror style Ozzy”

Maybe that’s what he’s aiming for?

I dunno. He obviously likes using it. He commissioned the damn thing! I would imagine it’s the sound he wants at this time… (obviously)

I still dig it. I like it more than the synth work on TFE, I can tell you that much.

75. jib - 11:02 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

@Sam I Am (not)

Why do you think the album will be over $40? This whole project was supposed to be free?

If he released this album on a for pay basis only and charged $40 or more, he would be crucified.

76. Annie's Dog - 11:04 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

Very true, it is not the synths but how he uses them… it is the carnival, sparkly, priscilla queen of the dessert-style synths on Spangled, Owata, and Lightning Strikes that ruin them. When you listen to the liver versions of Spangled, it is a good song. Drums are more prominent and no synths. I don’t care if the studio version is what he always intended. That just means he was wrong all along and not just at the end when he recorded it.

And, to be honest, part of the problem is the vocals as well. On the studio versions of some of these songs, especially Spangled and Owata, he tries to sing “pretty” (for lack of a better term). But when you listen to the live (better) versions, he sings in his more SP-esque voice that has more of a rock or even goth edge. It affects the overall mood of the song. Listen to the studio version of Spangled and then the 2010 Chile live version (Movistar) and you will see the obvious difference. He has to tap that edge to push these songs over the top.

77. TheMicrodance - 11:32 am // Thursday, June 2, 2011

That ^ Spangled is awesome! Jeff’s guitars sound wonderful.

78. Jonk - 12:07 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

Have you guys checked out the HQ stream capture on YouTube of that Planet Terra concert? Really good stuff

79. scottytheoneandonly - 12:56 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

All of billy’s albums are “over produced”. It’s just that TBK has a mix of instrumentation and sounds that rub a lot of fans the wrong way.

Most people I know loved the majority of the songs until the official recordings were available online.

80. Steve - 1:58 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011


81. Annie's Dog - 2:17 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

No, its discussing. Would you rather have everyone just get on here and say, “Gee, isn’t that new song just swell?” God forbid we think analytically about the songs.

82. Johnny - 2:28 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

I think writing off the use of synths in the already released songs is being short sighted. I love all of the music that’s been discussed, from TheFutureEmbrace to The Everlasting Gaze. The synth on Owata isn’t that different than some of the synth sounds used on the chorus of Perfect or Daphene Descends. I think what is much more jarring is that these songs are so happy. Never before has a Pumpkins record had so much vibrancy (IMO people didnt expect sad rock with Zwan so it’s a moot point). This translates into people trying to find fault with actual musical aspects of the songs. Admitedly, the production is a little weak on earlier tracks. The synths could be more of a background feature in Lightning Strikes. But I think the bigger issue (for fans) is the absence if sad rock and heavy rock songs.

83. Sam I Am (Not) - 2:36 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

@jib I’m not saying the songs won’t be free and put up for download on sp.com for everybody to hear but I’ll bet they”ll be a physical release w bonus material similar to the king of limbs. I’ll price it at $45 for shits and giggles

84. rapapapa - 2:41 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

Annie’s Dog I like you. =] You write the truth.

85. Bixby - 3:36 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

@the microdance

So sad sounding synths are ok, but happy sounding synths are bad?
When Machina came out in 2000, most hated the synths! The live versions sounded so much better. Maybe people like the synths on Machina now because it has grown on them over the years. Just like TBK will. Give it some time and don’t be so short sighted.

86. videojoe - 3:48 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

Ok. I really think that ichobod was a fun little toy for Billy to use. When I see the possible titles for these new songs, in my mind they scream raw, fuzzy and maybe even heavy. I just can’t see a song titled Pale Horse to have synth in it. I agree with Sam I am. It will probably come at a price. I would expect way less than 40. I think we will have to pay for the whole album at first to get all the songs at once. I do think he will continue the free releases however. After the full album is released he will probably release a song at a time for free. One per month perhaps untilled the whole album is release for free in its entirety.

That would give him opportunity to tour and write for the rest of the TBK project without going against his word of one song at a time releases. This would make sense for me. I think we will hear synth again but not in the heavy dose we reseaved on the last 4 or 5 songs.

87. TheMicrodance - 3:48 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

@Bixby For fuck’s sake, when did I say that ‘happy’ synths were bad? Some people have such a shallow,off base understanding of what other people say; or are you just looking for an argument? Is the synth in the alternative version of Try x 3 sad? I don’t think so. It’s a sonic thing not a ‘happy’ or ‘sad’ thing. The Pumpkins have always been a tonally rich band; to me these synths are not tonally rich, I don’t like the way they SOUND and they remind me of music that I don’t like. Do you get it now? Why are some people so blunt?

88. videojoe - 4:11 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

@ microdance

I absolutley agree. Its not a happy or sad thing. The synth in the new songs just plain suck. Songs are good but produced bad. Its like pizza. The idea of pizza is great but Dominos pizza fucked up the flavor. The synths in these songs are like Dominos pizza. Just doesn’t work for my taste buds.

89. Steve - 4:12 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

Everybody on the Internet seems to think they’re a great music journalist with an opinion worth sharing. I happen to disagree. There’s a magic and a mystery to music that gets lost once a bunch of wankers with too much time on their hands try to fit it into this mental box or that category.

The beauty of music isn’t deciding which synth part will offend the fewest of your hateful, snarky, entitled fans. It’s expressing yourself. I think the band should be given a bit more leeway to arrange and execute music the way they want. They’re just people making songs and giving them to us for free.

Did you ever take a step back and take a look at the relationship between the band and you? And how it looks from the outside for these musicians to make the music they want to make, and for their “fans” to quickly and decisively look for all the things that they hate about that music? Just go do something else.

90. rapapapa - 4:23 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

”Maybe people like the synths on Machina now because it has grown on them over the years.”
no. I played Owata and Lightning Strikes in gym, and one of my friends said, that they sound like from japanese anime or some sega video game. while on some older SP songs, he didn’t even noticed that they’re out of place or something.. and he’s not SP fan. To him Machina and Future Embrace is as new as Teargarden is.

91. rapapapa - 4:26 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

you’re absolutely right.

and for the record.. sad music = serious, true and best music. well at least for me. though i’m not a sad person, so that’s kinda strange I guess.. happy songs are..just okay.

92. videojoe - 4:32 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

@ Steve

You are right about that. I try to only agree with people on here. If I disagree I try not to go too far. People are entitled to they’re opinions but to argue over what they have done with the music makes no sense. I don’t like every song on MCIS but the album is fantastic so there is always light at the end of the tunnel. I don’t like the new synths but I could not do any better than Billy so I give my opinion and leave it at that.

93. TheMicrodance - 4:35 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

@steve, firstly I am only a wanker by the true definition of the word. Secondly I think you’ll find that no matter how viscerally or emotionally art connects to you, once you get past the initial wow factor, you’ll see that the art is made up of components that you like. If there are components that you don’t like, then you probably won’t like the whole as much as you would if you liked all the components. It’s not being over analytical it’s just the fucking way it is. I couldn’t give a shit about the relationship between the band and me. What on earth do you mean by that? If Cadbury’s of Hershey put out a chocolate bar that people didn’t like as much as their previous bars, would the directors expect people to buy them out of sympathy? This is a business as well, not a charity for overly sensitive rich people. I love the Pumpkins dearly but I have not enjoyed their recent output as much as previous stuff and THERE ARE REASONS FOR THAT which I am discussing here; which I think beats saying ‘It sucks’ and is entirely constructive. It’s a discussion and you are clearly don’t have the mental capacity for it.

94. Annie's Dog - 4:38 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

So let me get this straight… everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as that opinion is a positive one that is not critical. Got it. Also, remember. Being critical of Billy is like being critical of you little brother. You still love him. Similarly, we are still fans, but fans are also entitled to dislike certain aspects of Billy’s music EVEN IF they aren’t “music experts.” (I also criticize my favorite football team, though I never played in the NFL – go figure).

95. Johnny - 4:49 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

I’m not going to be so harsh, but I enjoy so discourse. I think that some really interesting songs or great songs can only be understood by analyzing them like one might analyze a poem. For instance, I particularly enjoy A Son For A Son; it is among my favorite songs. I’ve started to think critically about the use of synthisizer in that song, particularlly in the post-solo “movement” nearing the end. I think that it may be used because it sounds like a broken mobile or music box, common and sentimental children’s toys. I actually first got that impression from the 08 live recordings, and since I thought about it, I love the song even more. I may be off base, but the thought makes the listening process more enjoyable. Because the Pumpkins songs aren’t about nothing.

96. mjr - 5:17 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

I stop by everyday and I just think the tone of the comments are very negative for people who are fans and care enough to come by. It’s not any one comment, its just that there is so much negativity sometimes I do wonder if these people are actually fans. If you are fine, you are not required to kiss anyones butt, and criticism isn’t always bad, but if the majority of the time all people do is complain, well…

97. Bixby - 6:32 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

Just listened to some of the songs on your myspace. And you’re going to criticize SP?

@annie’s dog
You can criticize anyone and everyone you like, go sit in your tower.

98. Annie's Dog - 7:09 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

Yes, positive with the negative would be good I suppose. Ah, and then there’s Bixby’s tactic of not even commenting on SP, but rather just making personal attacks on posters. That’s mature.

99. stratoholic - 7:18 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

hoping for the wall of guitars sound that has been missing from TBK so far…

100. stratoholic - 7:37 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

@TheMicrodance… cool songs on your Myspace

@Bixby… what have you ever contributed to the world???

101. Elliot - 11:42 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011

All I can say is I love The Smashing Pumpkins. I am a fan all the way. This news is very exciting to me. There’s been enough negative speculation, I have high hopes.

102. monocoque - 2:22 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

Since Machina, most songs are far, far better live than studio. Many of them sound almost different song when played live. Which version I heard it first doesnt affect my opinion. Spangled acoustic solo live for french tv is so good, yet its studio version sucks. Tom Tom, I love the backward clock society version so much, love the melancholic, subdued feel and it also flows beautifully. Yet studio version doesn’t flow thanks to the silly rhythm synth, and arrangement can be alot better too. I wish they just release SB recording of BCS songs.
Problem with Billy this past decade or so is that his studio recordings sound “artificial” in funny way (except Zwan).

103. 34 - 3:21 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

I’m pretty sure Special K (as well as the rest of the songs on Oceania) will be an original song, not a Placebo cover. To date, TSP have never released a cover as a “proper” album track- all released covers have been as B-sides or on compilations, etc. (Zwan & BC solo have, however, put cover songs on their albums).

The only possible exception I can find is Soul Power [James Brown], but that depends on how you define M2- as a single album, or as a 2LP w/ 3 EP “singles” along with it (which would make Soul Power an “A-side” of one of the EPs).

Besides that, I’m sure Billy has more than enough original material that he’d rather put out. :>

104. rapapapa - 3:56 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

and what about ‘Sweet Sweet’?

105. TheMicrodance - 4:11 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

@stratoholic – Thanks a lot man!
@bixby – Ouch! Anyway, why would my music make any criticism less relevant? Do you have to make great music in order to judge other people’s music? That’s weird!

Once more:

I love The Smashing Pumpkins so much but I do not like the current output as much as previous stuff. This is a discussion and I’m contributing to it. That is all.

I also have very high hopes for Oceania and never once cited my music or claimed for one second that it’s worthy of discussion here. But FYI, we’re doing pretty well thanks.

For God’s sake, why do you perceive my comments as a personal slight to you? You remind me of one of those sports fans who cries when their team loses even though they are in no way responsible for the loss. Those people need to get a life and start affecting change in their own way; that way they’d be less sensitive about stuff which they have no influence over.

106. Dylan - 5:45 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

rapapapa, What are you saying about Sweet Sweet? it is most definitely not a cover. WTF

Tom Tom BCS is very likely the single best thing BC has done post 2007. Scratching my head to think of something else. Maybe Cottonwood Symphony.

This is easily the most enjoyable comment thread I’ve ever read HU. Great discussions on the piss poor use of Synths by Bill in TBK how far he’s fallen in regards to this

107. Dylan - 5:46 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

^ That was king of a mess. Sorry.

108. Dylan - 5:47 am // Friday, June 3, 2011


109. TheMicrodance - 5:52 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

it was the King of the messes. The new radiopumpkin album released for free in 2047.

110. Bixby - 5:58 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

Ah, and then there’s Bixby’s tactic of not even commenting on SP, but rather just making personal attacks on posters. That’s mature.

So when I criticize you, I’m being immature…But when you criticize SP, it’s cool ’cause its just your opinion?

111. Is he one? - 6:21 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

Rapapapa says weird stuff. “Sweet sweet”?

112. TheMicrodance - 6:50 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

@Bixby ~”So when I criticize you, I’m being immature…But when you criticize SP, it’s cool ’cause its just your opinion?”

I think it’s the nature of the criticism mate.

113. Is he one? - 7:41 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

I think people don’t understand what Billy is trying to do with “Teargarden”. I strongly believe that in a far future people will be able to appreciate this album to its fair value. Personnaly it reminds me of the Beatles, the drums sounds, the guitar sounds, the pop but yet alternative songs. I don’t know… I like it, and I think it’s far better than 95% of the music that’s released these days.

This said, I believe “Oceania” will be a return to the past in a way. I believe it will please fans more instantly than the rest of Teargarden. Just a thought… and a good week-end to all of you!

114. TheMicrodance - 7:47 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

@is he one? Give people some credit. If they say they don’t like it, they probably don’t like it! It’s hardly the most esoteric music Billy has recorded so far!

115. Is he one? - 7:51 am // Friday, June 3, 2011


I give people credit. It’s just not the first time I hear that kind of reaction immediately after Billy releases some music.

Anyway, it’s not everybody who don’t like it. People I know in “real life” sincerely appreciate Teargarden a lot. It’s became automatic that at some point during our “house parties” someone puts on sp.com and all the songs play, sometimes more than once. And they’re all casual SP fans, not hardcore as I am.

It’s just my opinion anyway, if you don’t like it, it’s your loss. Or something like that, I don’t really care. I love it.

116. Is he one? - 7:52 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

I wanna add, you should also give credit to the people who like it. My mentality is to focus on the bright side, positive aspects of things. You?

117. TheMicrodance - 7:59 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

Pretty good outlook.

118. Jonk - 9:54 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

I have to say that I think Spangled is the best TbK song so far. I say this because whatever WPC and Co. decide to do should be very good

119. TheMicrodance - 10:10 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

I really like Spangled but I’m a sucker for Cottonwood; does that count?

120. Angel - 10:56 am // Friday, June 3, 2011

Cottonwood is amazing, I have it on my teargarden mix :) probably best cut vocals on a tbk song so far.

also “Lonely is the name” should be on this album. I’m a bit disappointed but if not here I’m hoping on a future ep. If he releases THAT song exactly as its played live, he’ll have his hit…he’ll be back on top again because that song has that “speaks for itself” quality to it.

121. wayne martin - 1:18 pm // Tuesday, August 9, 2011

Smashing Pumpkin fans .. check out this album review for Teargarden by Kaleidyscope http://bit.ly/nhWuLS

122. Corgan, Fiorentino, Byrne announce end of ‘Oceania’ sessions « Hipsters United - 10:01 pm // Sunday, September 18, 2011

[…] Rays,” and “Wildflower.” This set of song titles essentially matches the tentative list of 12 songs given by Corgan on June 1, with two significant exceptions: “Wildflower” has been added, while ”Special […]

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