Yet another contradiction 12:19 pm // Wednesday, December 14, 2011Posted by jjb in critic vs. critic, gish, siamese dream, zeitgeist.
Since the mid-’90s, declares AJ Ramirez of PopMatters in his almost 2,000-word review today of the Gish and Siamese Dream reissues, the Smashing Pumpkins’ “stock has plummeted drastically,” and the band has “hastened down the path toward irrelevancy,” this largely because anyone with sense can tell that the band’s newer music sucks:
The extremely devoted among the Pumpkins faithful will argue until they are blue in their faces in favor of the 2007 comeback LP Zeitgeist and the currently-ongoing Teargarden by Kaleidyscope song cycle, but everyone else sees Corgan carrying on without any of his original bandmates as he and his latest roll call run through the songwriter’s dodgy new material. It’s hard not to feel that the Pumpkins are a shadow of their former glory.
Calling Siamese Dream “my favorite album ever,” Ramirez gives its reissue a perfect score of 10 while rating the Gish package a 7.
In 2007, PopMatters critic Mike Schiller bestowed an 8 of 10 rating upon Zeitgeist, describing the album as “one more beautiful, beautiful contradiction” from Pumpkins chief Billy Corgan (Corgan himself being “a walking, living, breathing, contradiction” in Schiller’s judgment).
HU Podcast #85: Gish and Siamese Dream Reissues 8:12 pm // Wednesday, December 7, 2011Posted by chris in gish, podcast, siamese dream.
Some of the HU staff members held off on obtaining the reissues in anticipation of receiving them as Christmas presents, but luckily three of us couldn’t wait and bought them on release day. Join us as we discuss our highlights and lowlights as well as jump the gun and look forward to what’s coming next.
-Chris, Jason, and Susan
-Did the Gish reissue change our opinion of the album? We discussed the DVD as well as some of my perceived shortcomings in the bonus disc (the biggest one being comparative in that it did not contain Moleasskiss). (21:22)
-Siamese Dream was also reissued, and we discussed how the band grew from the August 25th, 1990 show on the Gish DVD to the one included with this disc. Plus, I confuse Where’s Vince with Jazzin’, the future of the SPRC, and the reissues yet to come. (27:58)
Song of the Week
-Kooks, London, UK (July 4th, 1993)
Can reissue booklets reveal, or must they conceal, ‘the real lyrics’? 1:14 am // Thursday, December 1, 2011Posted by jjb in amusing, analysis, gish, lyrics.
Open your eyes to these mustard lies
She knows and she knows and she knows
—from lyrics to “Rhinoceros” printed in booklet for the reissued Gish
For the sake of argument, assume with me for a moment that the first time Billy Corgan had the thoughts that were to manifest themselves again every time he would sing or otherwise proffer the words to “Rhinoceros” over the subsequent 20-plus years, what would become the line quoted above instead surfaced initially into his consciousness as:
Open your eyes; to these, must I lie?
This line ‘makes more sense’ in that it does not seem to invoke a dishonest condiment. But it is also maybe a bit too intense, precious, or ‘embarrassing’ for Corgan the Braincrusher to have rolled with and felt comfortable about every night on stage in front of detached crowds. So maybe he changed what he had to something dodgy that sounded similar, and even that preserved some of the meaning, but would pass as ‘arty’ or whimsical or flip.
Perhaps, though, that all still does not mean the more sensible line deserves to be tagged as the ‘original’ (or ‘real,’ etc.) lyric—for when does a surfaced thought become a lyric? Is it as soon as the thought hits? Or is it when it is sung aloud or jotted down in private, when it is shared with another person or collaborator, when it is performed in public, when a recording is given to the Library of Congress or sold in stores, or when it appears in a booklet from a publisher? Or…well.
And whether one decides to say the line in question was already a lyric or still only a thought at the time it changed, there’s also the question of when that was. Maybe it wasn’t in 1989 in Corgan’s bedroom, but at some later point. Possibly the line is one of a few ketchup gags created exclusively for and packaged inside every copy of the reissue of Gish. Maybe the opening line of “Rhinoceros” was actually “planned a show” through every single studio take and live performance before Corgan read a tweet sent by Lauren Bethany Hawkins of Norwich, England on August 19, 2011. Who knows? He knows, and we don’t.
Stores everywhere put ‘Gish’, ‘Siamese Dream’ reissues on sale 10:06 am // Tuesday, November 29, 2011Posted by jjb in gish, news, siamese dream.
Or at least, stores that still sell music do…or will, once they open for business today.
Tell us where you got them (and which format), what you paid (or what you were asked to pay but wouldn’t), and what you think!
Corgan: Reissues provide “an insight into our process” 11:06 pm // Tuesday, November 22, 2011Posted by alex in billy corgan, gish, interview, siamese dream.
On the reissues themselves: “I want to create … an addendum to the album itself. And even where the quality level may not be great or the demo wasn’t meant to ever be heard by the public, it gives you an insight into our process going in, and … maybe even how we viewed ourselves coming out of the album.”
On James and D’Arcy’s involvement: “The relationships are really fractured. … I can’t work with them on a business level. I have no personal relationship with them. I think it’s unfortunate for them because they’ve cut themselves off from their own fans through the Pumpkins. And this should be a celebration of what we got right. … Siamese Dream now is considered a classic, and we’re all proud of that, I’m sure. The fact that we can’t celebrate that together is a shame.”
On the Siamese Dream recording sessions: “As the album wore on, and James and D’Arcy in particular realized they were not going to participate on the album as much as they’d hoped going in, it got very sour. Dark’s probably an appropriate world. There were many days where I worked 12-13 hour days … and they would never once come in to check on the progress of the recording. … They would just sit in the other room and just basically be unhappy. … The end of the band was sowed during the making of that record.”
On the advice he would give his younger self: “‘Calm the fuck down.’”
On the band’s legacy: “The thing I’m most proud of is we got the music for the most part fairly right. Somehow, in the midst of all this chaos, we did a fairly good job of the music. And the good thing is, that’s the thing that, pretty much, you get judged on. … At the end of the day, it’s pretty much gonna come down to, who’s got the better music. And I feel very confident about where we stand in our generation.”
On “Siva”: “Probably the first Smashing Pumpkins song where I felt, ‘Okay, I’m onto something.’”
On his public image: “I’ve been accused of being way too serious, and there’s some merit to that. But as I’ve often said to journalists, I’m in a band called the Smashing Pumpkins. I mean, I’m in a band with a joke name. So let’s start there: I’m not that serious.”
On his position as the leader of the Smashing Pumpkins: “Leader is too strong. [I'm the] ringmaster of an ever-evolving circus.”
Listen to the full interview here.
Stream four of the ‘Gish’ and ‘Siamese Dream’ reissue bonus tracks 10:18 am // Thursday, November 17, 2011Posted by susan in audio, gish, news, siamese dream.
Seattle’s 107.7 KNDD-FM is streaming four of the bonus tracks from the Smashing Pumpkins’ upcoming Gish and Siamese Dream reissues. From the Gish bonus disc, they have posted “I Am One (Reel Time Demo/2011 Mix)” and from the Siamese Dream bonus disc, “Today (Broadway Rehearsal Demo),” “Rocket (Rehearsal Demo),” and “Disarm (Acoustic Mix).”
Previews of ‘Gish’, ‘Siamese Dream’ reissue tracks appear online 10:36 am // Friday, November 11, 2011Posted by jjb in gish, news, releases, siamese dream.
Track times and audio clips for each track included on the deluxe editions of Gish and Siamese Dream, the two Smashing Pumpkins albums being reissued this month, are now available for examination, at least through the German retail site Amazon.de.
Among the unreleased material in the packages, the longest track is a new mix of “Starla,” which covers the first 11 minutes of the Gish bonus disc. The shortest cut is “U.S.S.R.,” a previously unheard song taking up 95 seconds on the second Siamese Dream disc.
Corgan dishes on ‘Gish’ 12:41 pm // Thursday, October 20, 2011Posted by susan in billy corgan, gish, interview.
The Boston Phoenix has released a new interview with Billy Corgan today in anticipation of the Smashing Pumpkins’ concert tomorrow night in Boston. In it, Corgan delves deep into the subject of his band’s first album, Gish, set for reissue next month. Corgan discusses how Gish was perceived by the elite coastal music community at the time and how the band’s relative isolation in Chicago contributed to the album’s against-the-grain sound.
“We had discussed [playing Gish] about four years ago, sort of before it became a trend. I had actually talked about it online a few times with the fans that it might be kinda cool to do that. Suddenly, having nothing to do with me, it became this thing where everybody started doing it and I got really grossed out by it and just thought, ‘This is wrong.’ It went past the point of, ‘Hey — let’s celebrate this’ to ‘Oh, it’s the new business model.’ Once I saw that, then I came out and said, ‘I want nothing to do with this, it ain’t gonna happen, so don’t even ask.’”
His current opinion of Gish?:
“If you’d asked me 20 years ago [for] my opinion, it was a lot higher than it is now. I certainly think it’s really good, and what really strikes me now in hindsight is the incredible amount of passion in it, which in a weird way you’re not used to hearing in music anymore. There’s a beauty in that raw passion. There are points worth celebrating, and we’ve talked about different things where we could celebrate Gish properly. I just don’t want any part of that sentimental, mawkish, maudlin ‘Wasn’t the past so great?’ I’m hopeful that Gish will get a second look, because it is valuable in that way. I’m not saying it’s the same, but when I listen to early Who, there’s a certain vibrancy there that obviously gets lost later in exchange for sophistication. I think that’s sort of how it is for us; there’s a vibrancy that can only be from that time, and I think that’s what’s beautiful about it.”
Reissue formats, tracklistings, prices on SmashingPumpkins.com 11:28 pm // Monday, October 17, 2011Posted by susan in gish, news, releases, siamese dream.
The Smashing Pumpkins’ official website now sports a page devoted to the band’s reissue project. The band is offering multiple formats for the Gish and Siamese Dream reissues, including digital downloads, vinyl, CD, and a 2CD/DVD box set, all of which can be pre-ordered now. The release date is confirmed as November 29.
Basic information on the “deluxe edition” boxes matches up with that listed and then delisted on Amazon over the weekend. To recap, each set is priced at $30 and contains the remastered album on one CD, a second CD of bonus tracks, and one DVD, plus extensive liner notes and postcards. Each DVD features the band performing live at Chicago’s Metro: the band’s August 25, 1990 show figures on the Gish disc while the Siamese Dream DVD has the August 14, 1993 show.
The Gish bonus CD contains these 18 tracks (* = previously released):
Starla (2011 mix) | Siva (Peel session) * | Honeyspider (Reel Time demos / 2011 mix) | Hippy Trippy (Crush Music Box demo) | Snail (live radio performance) | Plume (2011 mix) | Bury Me (Reel Time demos / 2011 mix) | Daydream (Old House demo) | Tristessa (Sub Pop single / 2011 mix) | Girl Named Sandoz (Peel session) * | Jesus Is The Sun (Apartment demo) | Blue (Gish sessions demo) | Smiley (Gish sessions demo) | I Am One (Reel Time demos / 2011 mix) | Seam (Suffer / Apartment demo) | La Dolly Vita (2011 mix) | Pulseczar (Gish sessions demo) * | Drown (alternate guitar solo)
Eighteen tracks also make up the Siamese Dream bonus disc:
Pissant (siamese sessions rough mix) | Siamese Dream (broadway rehearsal demo) | STP (rehearsal demo) | Frail and Bedazzled (soundworks demo) | Luna (apartment demo) | Quiet (bbc session/bc mix) | Moleasskiss (soundworks demo) | Hello Kitty Kat (soundworks demo) | Today (broadway rehearsal demo) | Never Let Me Down Again (bbc session) * | Apathy’s Last Kiss (siamese sessions rough mix) | Ache (silverfuck rehearsal demo) | U.S.A. (soundworks demo) | U.S.S.R (soundworks demo) | Spaceboy (acoustic mix) | Rocket (rehearsal demo) | Disarm (acoustic mix) | Soma (instrumental mix)
For $15, fans can purchase the remastered albums alone, with no bonus tracks, on CD. The remastered albums will also be available on 180-gram vinyl, again with no bonus tracks; Gish vinyl is priced at $23 while the 2LP Siamese Dream is $28.
Also on offer are digital download packages for each album and its accompanying bonus tracks. Downloaders must choose between “premium digital” and “high-fidelity digital” options:
Premium digital gives you a choice of Apple Lossless, FLAC or 320 kbps MP3. High-Fidelity digital offers source files in 24-bit/96kHz WAV format.
Fans also must choose to download either the album plus bonus tracks or the album alone. (Our previous reporting indicates there will be no download option for the DVD contents.) Pricing for the downloads ranges from $12 for the remastered album alone in premium digital up to $28 for the album and bonus tracks in high-fidelity digital.
Those who eschew other retailers and purchase any of the reissues through the Pumpkins’ website will receive one extra downloadable track, an instrumental take on “Frail and Bedazzled.”
Two items offered for free on the site are these poetic musings from Billy Corgan:
Recorded in 1990 and 1991, ‘Gish’ represents our first foray into the deep waters of rock and roll. In the music within, I still hear our naivete and fresh spirits asking to be heard, and I miss the times that helped make this music so earnest.
In 1992, with the weight of a perceived world on our shoulders, we disappeared into a parking garage to write the songs that would change the course of our lives forever. ‘Siamese Dream’ represents all of our dreams coming true, while the dreams of a happy band fell apart.
UPDATE (10/18): A press release from EMI Music today supplies some additional information, for instance the involvement of Butch Vig in mixing two of the Gish bonus tracks.
Images and further details on ‘Gish’ and ‘Siamese Dream’ reissues 4:33 pm // Saturday, October 15, 2011Posted by susan in gish, news, releases, siamese dream.
The Amazon listings for deluxe editions of Gish and Siamese Dream posted earlier this week have been updated with additional information and photos. Both are listed at $28.99 and are due out on November 29. Both sets include two CDs (one containing the remastered album and the other bonus tracks) and a DVD. The DVDs are to contain complete videos of concerts at Metro in Chicago from 1990 (for Gish) and 1993 (for Siamese Dream). Both sets are also to include postcards; Gish‘s postcards feature six “never-before-seen” band photos, while Siamese Dream‘s feature the original 13 album collages. Finally, both sets feature “reimagined” cover artwork and a 24-page booklet with lyrics and commentary from Billy Corgan and music critic David Wild.
Tentative tracklistings for the bonus CDs were given to fans attending a meetup in Los Angeles on October 5. The tracklistings shown to fans in LA reflected 18 tracks for both Gish and Siamese Dream, but according to Amazon, Gish is to have 15 bonus tracks and Siamese Dream 17.
UPDATE (10/17): It seems Amazon has pulled both listings for the moment. According to fans who attended a meetup preceding Saturday’s concert in Detroit, the listings were not supposed to appear until later, to coincide with their appearance on band’s official site.
Topspin Media preps for your questions on Pumpkins’ reissues 10:01 pm // Tuesday, October 11, 2011Posted by jjb in amusing, customer service, gish, news, siamese dream.
The most powerful direct-to-fan platform on the planet is working on its “Smashing Pumpkins FAQs” document in anticipation of the re-releases of that band’s Gish and Siamese Dream albums. Here are their answers to some questions they believe you will be asking frequently:
Will I get a digital version of the DVD if I purchase the deluxe edition digital package?
No, the DVD is only included the physical 2 CD/DVD deluxe edition.
When will I receive the my digital purchase?
All digital downloads will be delivered to you on midnight on 11/28.
When is my order shipping out?
All physical products will ship out and arrive on or around 11/29. If you have any specific questions regarding the shipping details of your order, please reference your live receipt for the most up to date tracking information.
When will I receive my autographed deluxe package?
All autographed deluxe packages will arrive on or around 12/22.
Butch Vig, how did you come to work with the Smashing Pumpkins? 9:06 pm // Wednesday, September 21, 2011Posted by jjb in butch vig, confusing, gish, history, interview, nirvana, vieuphoria.
Billboard’s Mitchell Peters has a new interview with Butch Vig regarding Nevermind, the famed Nirvana album that Vig produced and that was released twenty years ago this month. An excerpt:
[Peters:] How did working on “Nevermind” raise your profile as a producer?
[Vig:] The record completely changed my life. It opened up so many doors. I had been doing a lot of underground work with independent labels. And all of a sudden, all of the major labels were calling and I was able to pick and choose the projects I wanted to do. It’s safe to say that the record changed the lives of those who were closely involved. Early on it sort of freaked me out, because I realized that I’d never have a record as big and commercially successful. You have to sort of put it over on one side and say, “I still want to make music and move forward.”
If I hadn’t done that record I don’t know if I would’ve been able to work with Sonic Youth or Smashing Pumpkins. And I wouldn’t have been able to start Garbage and do that, because it opened so many doors and allowed me to have an interesting career that I’m still luckily having — knock on wood.
While Vig’s first work for Sonic Youth was on the post-Nevermind album Dirty, he had produced the Smashing Pumpkins both on the 1990 seven-inch “Tristessa” and on the 1991 album Gish, issued on Caroline Records in May that year. On the Pumpkins’ 1994 video release Vieuphoria, Vig explained how he got together with the group:
The first thing I worked with [Smashing Pumpkins] on was a Sub Pop single. Jonathan [Poneman] from Sub Pop called me up and said, “There’s this band from Chicago that is awesome and you’ve gotta work with them.”
Vig also told the hookup story when he appeared in 2008 on “Sound Opinions,” the syndicated radio program hosted by Chicago rock critics Greg Kot and Jim DeRogatis:
Vig: I think even those records [done at Smart Studios in the late 1980s and early 1990s] were fast and kind of down and dirty, I think they sort of did have a vibe, and you could hear the hooks when there were hooks. I think that’s why I got a lot of work, really. And that’s why, I mean, it just sort of snowballed…that whole indie scene led to me, you know, working with…Billy Corgan heard those records, and that’s why he called me from the Pumpkins.
DeRogatis: Corgan comes out there to do that Pumpkins record, and I guess that’s the real superstar…first act that put you on…first time you had a record on the Billboard charts.
Vig: Yeah, and I mean, I loved working with Billy, because he’s very intense and very driven, but when we made Gish, that was the first album where we actually had time…I was like, “oh my God, we have like 30 days to make a record,” and we worked like 14 or 15 hours every day for those 30 days to, you know, just to try to make it sonically…take it to another level.
‘Drown’ demo coming first from Smashing Pumpkins’ “Record Club” 11:51 pm // Saturday, August 20, 2011Posted by susan in gish, news, oceania, record club, siamese dream, video.
In a YouTube video released tonight, Billy Corgan describes his vision for the recently announced Smashing Pumpkins Record Club, including potential “audio documentaries” of the band’s recording process; waxes rhapsodic about the Siamese Dream reissue audio; and provides an update on the progress of Oceania. A full transcript of his remarks:
Hello everyone, it’s Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins. Currently in the studio, finishing Oceania, I hope. Also getting ready for our tour of the US and Europe, so it’s a very busy time. I’ve got a few details to update you on what’s going on with the archival reissues and the debut of the Smashing Pumpkins Record Club, what we’re calling the SPRC. We’re going to offer a free track to start with, in exchange for your email address, because we all know that’s so valuable. So you have to sign up for the Record Club, it’s free to sign up, but you’ll get a free song. And the first song we’re going to release for free is a demo recording of “Drown,” which we found in going through the archives. It was recorded roughly around the end of ’91, early ’92, (more…)
Smashing Pumpkins crafting ‘Gish,’ ‘Siamese Dream’ reissues 9:49 pm // Friday, August 19, 2011Posted by susan in gish, lyrics, news, pisces iscariot, releases, siamese dream.
Over the last week, new details about the Smashing Pumpkins’ back-catalog rereleases have emerged. Billy Corgan said yesterday that “we’re working hard right now” to ensure that the Gish and Siamese Dream reissues, due out on November 15, will each have special packaging and contain two CDs and a DVD. Other formats, such as the high-grade vinyl mentioned in the initial announcement of the reissues, could also be pending. Corgan hopes to provide his Gish lyrics, which were not previously available, and he has tweeted that he has an extensive collection of his original Siamese Dream lyrics as well.
The band now projects that the Pisces Iscariot reissue (originally slated for this year) will come out in 2012 alongside Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, The Aeroplane Flies High, and Adore. Work for the Pisces reissue has apparently already commenced. Regarding formats for next year’s releases, Corgan still intends to release Aeroplane on vinyl for the first time. 2013 should see Machina I and II combined into one package, and the band’s most recent press release raises the possibility of a “best-of compilation” in that same year.
When will we hear ‘Oceania’? 11:51 pm // Thursday, August 18, 2011Posted by jjb in gish, oceania, radio, siamese dream, websites.
Last Friday morning’s press release announcing the Smashing Pumpkins’ fall tour of America said their next album Oceania is “now due out in early 2012.” That afternoon, however, this exchange between frontman Billy Corgan and Chicago broadcaster Roe Conn aired on WLS-AM:
Conn: Billy, first of all, let’s talk about the new album. When is that actually going to hit?
Corgan: [clears throat] Sorry, I’ve been singing like a mad dog. Um, I think we’ll probably put it out where people can hear it towards the end of the year, and then it’ll be for sale at the beginning of the year.
His interlocutors offered the hopeful interpretation that, by “where people can hear it,” Corgan meant terrestial radio, but I daresay he meant the damned Internet.
So when exactly will Oceania’s 13 tracks drop in amidst the tide of Smashing Pumpkins-related events? If you want to guess at a date, keep the following information in mind:
- The Pumpkins intend to debut some songs from Oceania on their October tour of the United States, tickets for which are going on sale this week. Corgan has said the band expects Oceania to be available prior to a subsequent European tour. The dates for that tour have yet to be announced.
- EMI’s reissues of the Pumpkins’ early 1990s albums Gish and Siamese Dream are expected in stores on November 15.
- The first event of Resistance Pro, the wrestling organization that Corgan helps direct, takes place November 25.
- The press release touts 2012 as “a big year of touring” for the Pumpkins. Via Twitter, Corgan has suggested several potential locales he’d like to visit.
Bob Ludwig remasters ‘Gish’ 12:57 am // Friday, August 5, 2011Posted by susan in gish, news.
Acclaimed mastering engineer Bob Ludwig of Gateway Mastering has finished work on an impending reissue of the Smashing Pumpkins album Gish, part of that band’s archives project. Ludwig has previously worked with, well, uh, everyone.
Here’s a bit of an interview from 2003 in which Ludwig talks shop:
MusicTAP: What is the usual process from when Gateway is contacted for a project to the final release?
Bob Ludwig: Someone calls us and schedules a day I can work on their record. Either I do it alone, or the producer and sometimes, artists attend. The day arrives, I listen to their raw tape and hear in my head how I think it could sound. I turn the knobs on the right gear to make it sound like I hear it in my head. I master it, discuss if any remixing needs to be done and do any further editing that needs to be done. When the artist, producer, A&R person and the manager all agree I have gotten as much musicality out of their original master tape as possible, the approved master is copied to the appropriate medium desired by the plant (PCM 1630, exabyte DDP tape, Pre-master CD-R, or Yellow Book CD-ROM). The actual parts going to the plant are quality controlled from top to bottom by one of my engineers, usually with headphones to catch problems one can’t hear in speakers, and notes are made of any abnormal sounds that are in fact approved.
Corgan provides details on album reissues, archives 12:51 pm // Tuesday, June 7, 2011Posted by chris in b-sides, gish, pisces iscariot, siamese dream.
As promised in a tweet last night, Billy Corgan provided a status update on the both the progress of and ideas behind the Archive Project. While he gave a brief mention to the current work being done, which he described as taking “any materials from 1985-1994 that are relevant to the Gish, Siamese Dream, or Pisces Iscariot albums and get them into a stable, 96k format,” Billy also spent quite a bit of time describing a new potential method for releasing work that isn’t worthy of mainstream commercial treatment.
If I had to make a choice today, it would probably be something along the lines of outline the project, and see who might want to buy in with a guarantee that they are assured a limited edition pressing. We all know the songs will be bootlegged, there is no mystery in that anymore, but I feel that because of what these ideas are, in essence a real peek under the covers of how these albums came together, that there will be enough fans who would want to own a physical copy. Putting them together for digital consumption is easy, but probably not going to excite enough people. I know I get motivated when I think about a 20 album vinyl set of my demos from 1985-1994, even if only 500 fans wanted every one, because it means together we get to make something permanent that requires love, and a cover photo, and some liner notes, etc. In essence it is motivating to share more than just a digital file; to make art.
Corgan also offered some possibilities for reissue bonus material beyond the obvious b-sides:
So for example, for ‘Drown’, we may release an alternate version with has a completely different take of the long end guitar solo, mixed by Butch Vig in 1992. With ‘Starla’, we’ve talked about a completely new Kerry Brown mix 2011 style, with the original mix still being available on the ‘Pisces Iscariot’ record.
Finally, Billy offered another alternative for material that never even saw proper demo treatment:
But I also found on that same tape 2 unknown songs which are half-written, with me kind of faking lyrics as I often do when I’m writing a song. I never had any intention for anyone to ever hear these versions, and in their raw form are probably not release worthy, at least not commercially. But what I might do is ‘finish’ the songs now; record a final version after all these years with me on guitar and voice alone, and provide those half-baked versions on the SP facebook page for everyone to enjoy a lost moment in time.
For those wondering about a timetable, as previously announced the plan is still Christmas of this year for Gish, Siamese Dream, and Pisces Iscariot.
HU Podcast #78: Gish Retrospective 7:24 pm // Thursday, June 2, 2011Posted by chris in gish, podcast.
In honor of the 20th anniversary of the release of Gish last Saturday, we devoted an entire podcast to the Pumpkins’ debut album. Jill relayed to us some interesting tales told to her by a couple of guys who were around the band during their formative years, and the three of us looked back and tried to assess Gish both on its own and in the context of the band’s career.
-Chris, Jason, and Jill
-Jill had a chance to meet a few years back with a couple of roadies from the band’s early days as part of an abandoned project for the official website, so she goes back to her notes to give us some highlights. (20:40)
-We attempt to take a look at Gish as a standalone work, but are soon drawn into both discussing it as a stepping stone from pre-Gish to Siamese Dream and despairing at how difficult it is to assess a 20-year-old album with fresh ears. (24:15)
Song of the Week
-Bury Me, Chicago, IL (June 23, 1991)
Keep an eye on this space sometime this weekend, as I’m hoping to get a chance to talk with a fan who attended the Owata music video taping last week.
Happy ‘Gish’ day 7:44 am // Saturday, May 28, 2011Posted by jjb in amusing, gish, history.
Twenty years ago today, Caroline Records released the first Smashing Pumpkins album, a happening of which neither I nor most Pumpkins fans have any personal recollection.
Above: Silent film actress Nicole Fiorentino.
HU Podcast #76: The Big Announcement 1:43 pm // Saturday, April 30, 2011Posted by chris in gish, pisces iscariot, podcast, siamese dream, teargarden by kaleidyscope.
Billy’s recent announcement on the future of Teargarden and the exciting news about the reissues and opening of the archives spurred us to record a rare mid-week podcast. Eric joins us again from Japan to sift through the possibilities for Gish, Siamese Dream, and Pisces Iscariot bonus material, as we save discussion of the other reissues for future shows.
-Chris, Susan, and Eric
-Owata is tabbed as the final single-release Teargarden song, at least for the foreseeable future. Is this a good choice? (4:01)
-The next Teargarden release after Owata will be an approximately 10-song album within an album called Oceania, surprisingly slated for a September 1st date. Is 4 months long enough to create and release an album? How will it be distributed? Is there a chance we’ll never go back to the one-song-at-a-time format? (10:24)
-All of the old album are being reissued with bonus material, so we take a look at Gish, Siamese Dream, and Pisces Iscariot, which are slated for a 2011 release. What will the bonus tracks be? So many b-sides from these eras are already on Pisces Iscariot, will they be pushed back into their respective eras? Would fans have the right to be upset if the bonus material is already available in the trading community? Will Billy include songs sung by other band members? (32:17)
Song of the Week
-Try to Try, Madison, WI (July 16th, 1990)