Smashing Pumpkins may work on new studio material in August 4:56 pm // Sunday, July 1, 2012
Posted by susan in billy corgan, interview, news, oceania, teargarden by kaleidyscope, thefutureembrace, zeitgeist.trackback
Bill Palmer of Beatweek Magazine has published a wide-ranging new interview with Smashing Pumpkins frontman Billy Corgan. In the interview, Corgan discusses the dynamics of the current Smashing Pumpkins lineup, their plans for future recordings, and how the Pumpkins’ reissue project has influenced their live performances, among other topics. Below are three excerpted quotations.
In which Corgan evaluates his albums, specifically Zeitgeist:
I think in that way I’ve never made a bad album. I would say the album that was the least fulfilling of its potential was Zeitgeist…I think every other album was in the range of its potential as an A or a B. I wouldn’t necessarily rate Zeitgeist as a C, it just didn’t hit its potential and it kind of got lost somewhere along the way in the process. Some of the best songs are in the demos that didn’t get recorded and that kind of shit. I think it’s up there, but I also think it has to do with familiarity. There’s a certain ring here that people are comfortable with, and I’m okay with it or obviously I wouldn’t have put it out. But I think TheFutureEmbrace was a great album, and it was completely overlooked, my solo album. Over time now, over the last seven years, now people are starting to really get into it because it’s got a bit of a visionary aspect to it. So again, what was the point of the album? The mainstream always assumes that every album you’re throwing yourself out there with your bust, and I’m not that type of artist. I pick my spot and I go for that spot, and I rate it on whether or not I hit my spot.
Of the first Teargarden by Kaleidyscope songs, Corgan says that “I think there were ten official Teargarden releases. In those ten there was at least two or three really good songs.”
On the future of Teargarden, Corgan had this to say:
I’m kind of mulling that around. There’s a lot of demos that are really fairly quality at least in terms of the songs. They’re just interesting, dusky sketches. The problem with the world we live in now is everything is judged so fast so hard and is given too much power, for lack of a better word. Three months from now I would love to just reach in and toss out a couple of those demos from 2009 so people could hear some different songs, maybe some things that helped lead to Oceania. But then invariably some asshole with a blog is going to write about the new Smashing Pumpkins song and how it sucks. I’m mature enough now that I don’t really care, but at this point we’re in a positive place and maybe we just need to play a positive game. Maybe we just need to be like everybody else and shine it up real nice and bright before we put it out. We definitely want to do another album. We’re already talking about starting to do some demos in August. It’s tough. I do want to put out some of this stuff that I’m sitting on. I do want to finish the project as I sort of originally sketched out. But right now we’re riding a wave and I’m not really sure where that wave takes us.
Go over to Beatweek and read the interview in full, because it’s fascinating stuff.
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“Three months from now I would love to just reach in and toss out a couple of those demos from 2009 so people could hear some different songs, maybe some things that helped lead to Oceania”
Go no further, Billy. Do that. It would not only be a great way to expedite the Teargarden project, but it would save the songs from a lot of criticism. People (and by people I mean the “hardcore fans” who are the only ones really interested in TbK) won’t nitpick a demo nearly as bad as a full studio version. Look at the Adore demo “Chewing Gum” for instance. I happen to really enjoy that song. Is it up to par with album tracks? Maybe not, but I don’t judge it the same as I would a song off an album because it is obviously just a demo. If he was to release several of the TbK songs as demos I think they would receive much the same treatment. That’s all in addition to the fact that anything b-side or demo by the Pumpkins seems to get an extra bit of praise to start with.
This is the best approach by far. Even among us “dedicated” fans I’m fairly certain the mindset is “Get done with TbK and move on.” So these demos would be perfect for that. As far as the “asshole with a blog”, well fuck him. There are assholes no matter what you do. If Billy’s really “mature enough” and if he doesn’t really care, then it should be a no brainer. Let the asshole be an asshole. Let the fans enjoy the music.
I just really really want to hear a final version of Lonely Is The Name.
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exactly
recording demos in august? album by 2015!
I have fantasies of hearing the song Lonely Is The Name produced in a Loveless-like wall of sound. Should Kevin Shields give a hand?
Yes, he should!
@snowtrooper
3 years between albums is pretty reasonable.
listening to spirits in the sky at pappy and harriets and some of those renditions live compared to what was released as official TGBK tracks blow away the studio versions completely. i don’t really know what happened in the translation but it seems like the songs lost their soul. not that theTGBK free tracks are bad…they just don’t have any SP magic to them. whatever they did with Oceania is exceptional an i feel it is the smashing pumpkins as a band. would love to get some soundboards of those shows. the crowd banter is also pretty great. some guy realizes he has had shrooms in his pocket the whole show…swear he was miked cuz he seems to have many great quotes throughout.
I really like this comment, “I would love it if we look back in ten years and see Oceania in the same way we see Gish or something, as a beginning of a new journey.” It is powerful
finally! a decent promo picture!
i’d still be interested in hearing a really raw, heavy, psychedelic recording of “the trip”
I know in my artwork, there is a certain feeling or power to a quick sketch that often gets lost in a full painting. Even if I trace the original sketch to canvas, careful to get every line the same, sometimes something is just missing.
The project I’m working on now is just a couple of steps removed from original quick sketches. And it’s really hard to leave it at that stage, because I can see the finished painting in my head, and I know how people judge the work. It may not look as good, but it feels good. It’s harder to trust that a feeling will come across to your audience than a shiny finished picture (or song).
So I can understand how it would be hard to release demos. I’d love to hear some of these demos. I wish Billy felt the freedom to release everything he wants to without regard for the audience. It’s easy to ask that of him, but it’s a really hard thing to do. It’s hard putting your heart on the line like that. It’s a lot of risk, and people don’t understand. They just want to rip you apart.
“…my new material rates an ‘A’!” The press disagreed, giving the album mixed reviews, and neither did it catch fire with the listening public. Corgan went back into the studio, emerging with another batch of songs. In interviews leading up to the release of this next album, he said things had changed—that he had changed, and thus was deserving of being heard with fresh ears. “I’ve come to realize there was indeed something wrong related to that last album and how it was received, thus preventing it from being strictly comparable to the best work I can do. But…”
Oh Jason, you sly little pitchfork journalist you….
Really good interview, but I love how Bill Plamer puts the best introspective question inside the article, “But none of what’s going right for Billy Corgan in 2012 is going to matter to him unless it can be parlayed into more.”
Billy really needs to take advantage of the situation he is in. I mean I am down for new music and a new album but concentrate on Oceania. I mean, it may sound rhetorical but there’s been hardly any Pumpkins promotion post Oceania release. Nor a single, nor any official tour dates or anything… That is very odd especially since it was able to crack top 10 and receive fairly favorable reviews as apposed to Machina and Zeitgeist. Been saying this all week but I guess time will tell.
I think the “Pitchfork” slam is misplaced, because journalists actually buy into and tacitly support this sort of spin, both because it validates the narrative they’ve already established (‘last album kinda sucked’) and gives people a reason to read what they presently writing (either ‘new album might be surprisingly good’ or ‘artist admits failure’).
It was sarcasm, it was more in regards with your ability to be snarky (how do I make that sound as least offensive as possible?) but still make somewhat of a valid point. We’ve seen this stuff before (talking about Billy and the press).
If anything my post highlights that I agree with the point you had.
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[...] Now that the tour has wrapped, band members are pursuing individual projects for a few weeks. Pumpkins bassist Nicole Fiorentino’s band Cold and Lovely, who recently released their first music video, will play in LA on August 30, while drummer Mike Byrne’s Bearcubbin’! will play a series of late August dates in Washington state. It remains to be seen if the Smashing Pumpkins will record new material during this time, as suggested by frontman Billy Corgan back in July. [...]