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Corgan hoping fan involvement will lift Pumpkins’ Record Club 1:52 pm // Tuesday, April 17, 2012

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UPDATE (4/18): In this hour-plus phone interview (listen here), Billy Corgan elaborates greatly on last week’s vague announcement from Smashing Pumpkins friend site Crestfallen.com of “The Lucky 13.” Corgan says the “13” will be a group of fans selected by his interviewer, Crestfallen webmaster Jonathan Monte, to serve as liaisons between the Pumpkins fan community and the Smashing Pumpkins Record Club as it sifts through music from the band’s massive archive. The group is supposed to identify items and formats for release that will garner enough interest to sustain the Record Club’s efforts from project to project.

As stated by Corgan employee Rynda Laurel back in January, the Pumpkins intend to employ a Kickstarter-like model which will enable the band to put out material that its fanbase might be interested in, but might not be commercially viable with a mainstream audience. In the new interview, Corgan runs through several potential scenarios for how such a model might work. In discussing the “Rubano tapes” (hours of pre-Gish material recorded by Mike Rubano, including many of the Pumpkins’ early live shows) Corgan imagines several scenarios. In one, the Lucky 13 discovers there is interest in a deluxe box set package of the Rubano tapes, determines how much the box set will cost and how many they must sell to recoup their costs. If they get enough subscribers for the box set, which could cost several hundred dollars, then digital files will be made for anyone to pick and choose from; Corgan threw out the number of $5 for 12 tracks of your choice from the Rubano tapes catalog. However, if the Lucky 13 determines there is not enough interest in a box set to justify its production, then consideration could shift to a purely digital release of the Rubano tapes with a different pricing scheme.

I cite the Rubano tapes as just one example among many Record Club ideas Corgan throws out over the course of the interview. He muses about releasing Pro Tools files from his 2005 solo tour so fans could remix the live recordings themselves, the legal intricacies of releasing pro-shot live videos, and how he can realistically evaluate the audio quality of the band’s live recordings from the Siamese Dream era. Corgan says that the first item of business for the Lucky 13 group is to determine what the fan community is interested in hearing among the back catalog of studio material, though eventually they will also work on determining interest and release models for live recordings and post-2000 material. Personally, I am most immediately intrigued by the Rubano tapes, given Corgan’s obvious appreciation for the material.

Corgan also provided some new details about EMI’s reissuing of the Smashing Pumpkins catalog of albums. For the Pisces Iscariot reissue, whose tracking and mastering are already finalized, Corgan tipped that the opening song “Soothe” has been remixed, since Corgan did the original mix himself with low-end equipment. The Pisces reissue does not currently have a street date, but presumably it will come out before or around the same time as the reissues for Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness and The Aeroplane Flies High, which Corgan reports he’s working hard on at the moment and are due out around the end of the year. Corgan further tipped that the Adore reissue has been moved back to sometime around Record Store Day 2013, which would leave the Machina reissue for late 2013 along with a potential best-of set of some kind. Intriguingly, Corgan also reports he “has a commitment from EMI” to release a vinyl version of 1999’s Stigmata soundtrack.

Reiterating remarks made as far back as 2010 on his now-defunct official Facebook page, Corgan said he will receive the rights for his Warner Brothers catalog in 2014, opening up the possibility to release as many as 65 unreleased Zwan songs and the entire Chicago Kid project in 2014, with a re-worked version of Zeitgeist following in 2015. It’s apparently Corgan’s hope to have much of the archive material out by 2015; he says there is “a window of 3-4 years in which most of the key materials need to come out.” Corgan states that respect and mature relationships will be essential within the fan community to get everything out within this timeframe.

Finally, Corgan talks about the Pumpkins’ plans for their new album, Oceania. The album, which drops on June 19, may be available to hear for free around a week before that, though plans are still being finalized. He also discusses an Oceania tour, which he hopes will kick off about a month after the album’s release date. The band are reconvening for rehearsals perhaps as early as this coming weekend in preparation for two festival dates in Europe in late May. Corgan also elaborates a bit more on his work with Sean Evans, which he earlier discussed in an interview with Billboard back in March; the two are developing visuals for the Oceania tour which use cutting-edge “digital mapping” technology. The band intends to perform songs from the album in sequence; the visual experience would mirror the music. Corgan discussed some of the challenges inherent to staging such a technologically advanced tour on an international scale, and also cautions that if response to the album is weak, then they may not be able to stage the tour at the level they hope.

I have only skirted around some of the items discussed; listen to the interview for a fuller picture with tone and superior context.

Comments

1. DREVPILE - 3:37 pm // Tuesday, April 17, 2012

Essentially then, don’t fuck it up Monte et al.

2. snowtrooper - 4:17 pm // Tuesday, April 17, 2012

or it could end up being the sillines of epitome.

3. snowtrooper - 4:18 pm // Tuesday, April 17, 2012

and how much could larry REALLY want???

4. listers_mullet - 4:22 pm // Tuesday, April 17, 2012

Who would’ve thought that all it takes to become Corgan’s go-to guy is to have a 3rd grade education and follow him around the country with a giant video camera.

In the end, I just want the feckin’ new album, hopefully some cool stuff comes out of this bizarre Monte-led venture, but i’d settle for the new tunes that have been in the can forever. June 19 can’t get here fast enough.

5. Kiernana - 4:55 pm // Tuesday, April 17, 2012

Wow, sometimes I just don’t have the energy to listen to Billy whine. Just release shit and I, being the ever-enganged consumer that I am, will buy it.

6. JCelsius - 6:10 pm // Tuesday, April 17, 2012

Well, here’s hoping the album blows us “true fans” out of the water and the larger than life “cutting edge” shows happen. Oh and if these awesome shows happen, let’s hope tickets are easier to get than the reuinion tour. The only way I got a ticket for that was preordering Zeitgeist.

7. colquittbrett - 6:37 pm // Tuesday, April 17, 2012

I dunno guys. I think you’re all being a bit too cynical. There’s a lot of transparency and lifting of veils going on, and I for one appreciate it… even if I think Monte would be best not recording his own voice ever again, at least not without a little media training. It’s kind of sad.

And he made a real serious point by mentioning the lack of money generated from these reissues. He really never had to do this at all, as it’s really not profitable to anyone but EMI, and even they’re probably hemorrhaging money as well. That said, it brings people to shows, and that’s where any REAL money is made. So bitching and moaning about physical releases is a moot point, outside of Blu-Ray. This is the age we live in now. Our sweet memories of record shops exist only in our heads. Just be happy we get anything to take home whatsoever.

8. hologram jesus - 7:12 pm // Tuesday, April 17, 2012

apparently sp won’t tour if there is ww3….

9. hologram jesus - 7:13 pm // Tuesday, April 17, 2012

….that’s lazy.

10. me - 10:02 pm // Tuesday, April 17, 2012

embarassing how curiously excited i am to listen to this … this monte guy, i mean, wow…

11. Just_Erick - 10:44 pm // Tuesday, April 17, 2012

+1 Colquittbrett

Very well said.

12. BitterT - 11:56 pm // Tuesday, April 17, 2012

I would be happy with pure digital releases

13. lala - 1:07 am // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

from the unreleased stuff I am really excited for the studio unreleased Zwan/Djali Zwan stuff, the Chicago Kid material and the Metro show.

14. wombat77 - 5:08 am // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

Say what you want about “this Monte guy” but name another fan who can have a chat for over an hour on the phone with none other than Mr Corgan? I mean there is probably only a hand full of fans that even have his number so good on you monte for all you do Pumpkins related!! And I still watch that DVD you put out, just awesome! Super interview that by the way and some exciting news picked up to.
Oh and if WW3 did ever break out….. then the world need to hear Oceania to get through it and for any hope of the war ending!! lol

15. Kiernana - 8:12 am // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

The tour/Oceania talk was most interesting to me. I do like the fact that Billy brought up Deadmau5 when he touched on the production SP is trying to put together. The light show/production @ the Deadmau5 show I saw was probably one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen. If Billy’s dopping a name like that, I expect HUGE things from the tour production. The only other show I’ve witnessed that beat out the Deadmau5 show in terms of production was the last MUSE tour, which was mindblowing. Though the Pumpkins are nowhere near as dramatic as they are, so I wouldn’t count on any type of experience similar to that one.

16. Saturnineage - 9:19 am // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

As always, some people just need something to bitch about to make themselves feel important.
It all sounds pretty reasonable and honest to me. I really hope the community will come together to support this for the long term.
Thank you Monte (an the rest of Lucky 13) for being brave enough to take on this load. Taking on the the fury of the Pumpkin Nation is not going to be an easy task.

17. Spumkins33 - 9:31 am // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

So…has this been transcribed, yet?

18. 100% cheese pants - 9:41 am // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

i wish billy loved me like he loves monte. i am just as worthy of a fan.

19. Johnny - 9:48 am // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

I’m very hopeful and excitted about the possibilities for achive releases, and I hope it happens…but wow. This is a very difficult buissness model. First, a bunch of fans have to sift through the archive. They need to approve what they show to the masses to Billy. Then we have to pick the ones we want, and WE have to figure out a reasonable way to price it, what format it is to be distributed in, and have a certain number of people commited to buying it, only for Billy to then approve or disapprove of our model. Only then does it see a release, and if it’s not successful, it never happens again. And

20. Johnny - 9:52 am // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

only then we may get a digital package. Unless one of the Lucky 13 really steps up to the plate, and performs the sort of leadership that can get a community to all agree–which would mean keeping lists small, having two competeing pricing models to choose from, etc–them this has the potential to go nowhere fast.
Then again, I’m primarilly interested in Oceania. The only archive stuff I really want is 2000-now, so maybe the kinks will work themselves out by then. :) Here’s hoping this turns out great!

21. Steven - 11:41 am // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

I don’t know, seems pretty reasonable to me. This is all EXTRA stuff. It’s all bonus and if we want it, then we should work to get it out. From the way it sounds, this isn’t a profit center for him. He’s willing to put it out, but only if it doesn’t suck up all his time, energy, and finances. What’s wrong with that?

I just don’t think Billy gets the credit he deserves – this is all a massive undertaking, and the guy is so busy already. I personally don’t want his life being consumed going through all of this material. I’d rather he work on new material, tour, and have some kind of fulfilling life outside of SP.

Say what you want about Monte and closing comments on his site, but if I were Billy, trying to create and release art, I wouldn’t want to put up with all of this b**tching either. The guy can’t win for trying and a significant portion of his fan base feels way too entitled. He’s doing a good thing here, and people rip him a new one no matter which decision he makes. I am glad he is able to do a 1 hour interview for us to listen to and not have to read through all the negativity. I think it’s a fallacy that an artist has to listen to and put up with a never ending stream of criticism over his work – that it’s somehow good for the process or that way are entitled to grunt and whine over every last thing. If everything you do is torn apart, and every word you say derided, where is the incentive to create and release? The man doesn’t owe us anything, and I applaud him for continuing to try.

22. cornelius - 1:33 pm // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

i never understood the hate i see on hu for monte….do you guys not like him because you can’t leave comments on his blog??

23. Is he one? - 1:44 pm // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

There is definitely a dose of jealousy in that…. has to be.

24. Kiernana - 2:07 pm // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

Some of the HU’s have definitely mentioned the Monte-closing-the-comments thing. He’s an easy target for reasons that would further legitimize the fact that he’s an easy target.

@Steven: You’re right. Everything you’re saying is pretty agreeable, especially the philosophy behind your sentiment that you “think it’s a fallacy that an artist has to listen to and put up with a never ending stream of criticism over his work…” Right on.

25. listers_mullet - 2:10 pm // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

I have nothing against Monte personally, his proverbial ‘rise to prominence’ is comical if you’ve been in the “community” for as many years as I have and can recall when he was just regarded as a mildly creepy superfan with a fairly poor grasp on spelling and grammar.

But god bless, ya know?

26. merp - 3:08 pm // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

Just use the same format Jack White uses with his Vault project. It’s the best way to connect fans and the artist PERIOD. it’s used in connection with Modlife.

You get exclusive news, music, ticket presales, and the artist can chat or video chat with fans. It’s a great way to engage with your fans.

27. arbitraryhandle - 3:23 pm // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

Susan, once again great summary as always.

I’ve been a community lurker since Adore, and all I have to say is that as accomplished a speaker as I feel I am in my own line of work, when faced with a 60 minute interview with one of my ‘heroes’ I’d be nervous as all hell. Monte has done a terrific job. No, he’s not a professional interviewer, but he asks good questions and is able to organically change up his follow ups on the fly. I don’t care what Monte has to say other than we share our favorite pop music artist, but he’s able to draw out of Corgan a very interesting dialogue.

Cheers to him (even though he doesn’t drink).

28. Woody - 5:13 pm // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

Smashing Pumpkins coming back to Australia after less than two years! Confirmed on Triple J radio this morning, SP are playing Splendour in the Grass Festival in July!

29. Woody - 5:17 pm // Wednesday, April 18, 2012
30. BigAl6ft6 - 7:19 pm // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

Well, putting the fans in charge of running the show sounds needlessly complicated & probably gonna crash and burn. Godspeed to whoever can pull it off.

31. snowtrooper - 8:33 pm // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

i hope theres only 13 people involved. total. ever.

32. sootandstars - 9:36 pm // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

I think the SPRC archive is a great idea but it does seem it will be difficult to gauge how many people will be interested in, how much should be charged, and how long each release will be available in what format.

That being said I wanted to pass along an idea for a fan-made project, a Smashing Pumpkins/Billy/etc Interview Archive. The Spfc has a section for articles and press but not for interviews, and after I emailed Eric Agnew he replied that “rather than create an entire new subsection specifically for interviews (which could take ages for me to get around
to), I think it’s fine to just stick things into the general Articles subsection under News & Press – you can preface the titles with “interview”.”

So I’m reaching out and posting on this blog, emailing some fan sites and ask if anyone who is interested to copy and post this info anywhere you think it might be relevant. There is so much interview content out there and the internet is constantly changing so I thought it would be a good idea to make an archive section in one place that is fueled by fan contributions.

This would contain all the magazine, online, audio and video interviews with the Smashing Pumpkins, Billy and all the other associated projects. Right now it seems there isn’t any website that has interviews in an organized way. This would be a great resource to have as you could read more in depth and would be quite a massive project but if there are some general guidelines set down then I’m sure many fans could contribute either in a Wiki-style site or template or something else.

So for example text interviews could be organized by date, interviewer name, magazine name, weblink if applicable, and making sure the interview was readable by putting the interviewer and interviewee’s names in bold would help. Saving a copy of an interview made available online would be necessary as websites are constantly changing, disappearing, etc. There might be some legal problems with magazine scans, audio and video and if some couldn’t be shared then at least an entry in the main list should stay as a reference for those who wish to hunt those missing entries.

Anyways, if anyone has any input and ideas about an interview archive feel free to comment here, start a forum thread somewhere and mention it. I don’t have time to go on every Pumpkins site and post this so I’m just putting the idea out there at this moment.

33. xtian slater - 11:19 pm // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

make the time to follow your dreams

34. Just_Erick - 11:37 pm // Wednesday, April 18, 2012

Well, a lot of what I wanted to say has been already said in this post. I know not everybody will have the time to see the entire interview. I just hope if you do have the time, you listen to question 4)

That was is some serious backround politics that a lot of the fan base needs to understand. Billy makes some excellent points.

35. Zave - 4:51 am // Thursday, April 19, 2012

If HU staff really hates Monte, why they keep on posting links to his blog? Links are the currency of the internetzz. They probably don’t embrace the way Monte talks/acts about a lot of SP-related things, that’s all.

36. zanzabar - 9:19 am // Thursday, April 19, 2012

i dont think they hate him

they just recognize and occasionally point out how much of a fucking dorkapotamus he is

37. zanzabar - 9:21 am // Thursday, April 19, 2012

also, someone from HU should really be a part of this lucky 13 thing

its, probably something like Monte, E Agnew, Quinto?, some o-board mod, SPFreaks dude, etc. etc.

38. Is he one? - 9:44 am // Thursday, April 19, 2012

I vote for Susan then. ^

39. Johnny - 3:03 pm // Thursday, April 19, 2012

Haha, where have you been in the fandom? We hipsters have been somewhat marginalized. Or have you not heard about the impending heel-turn?

40. me - 7:38 pm // Thursday, April 19, 2012

i thought it was interestign where billy sad he sometimes took out his burnout on music passive aggressively on the music itself … first thing that comes to mind is the clipping suff on the zwan album.

41. Jonk - 2:19 am // Friday, April 20, 2012

Give me a disc(s) with Zwan demos and name your price

42. arbitraryhandle - 12:49 pm // Friday, April 20, 2012

My vote goes to Susan being lucky number 14

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44. chris - 6:05 pm // Friday, April 20, 2012

@arbitraryhandle: According to Monte’s radio show the other night, there are not actually 13 people and there may be “interviews” for positions in the Lucky 13. Remember, Susan, dress for the job you want, not the job you have. Always be the first one to get there and the last one to leave. Look your interviewer in the eyes and have a firm handshake. :)

45. sootandstars - 8:47 pm // Tuesday, April 24, 2012

I have an update on my post above about the interview archive. If anyone is interested in contributing to a Smashing Pumpkins/Zwan/Billy Corgan/etc interview archive, Eric of SPFC and Marie of By Starlight are both going to be working on updating their interview archive sections for fan input. So if you have some interviews already collected or have some time to search for some, soon we’ll be able to contribute them to both sites through a system they are setting up.

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