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Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins break with producer Kerry Brown 11:00 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

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Rock producer Kerry Brown has announced that he is no longer working with the Smashing Pumpkins.

Multiple sources tell HU that Pumpkins ringmaster Billy Corgan informed several associates of a split between himself and Brown early in November, with Corgan saying to one friend blogger that there will be “no relationship moving forward” between Brown and the band.

The break between Corgan and Brown came only weeks after the two shared a stage at Chicago’s Riviera Theatre, when Brown’s band Catherine joined Corgan to perform two songs during an encore at a Smashing Pumpkins concert on October 14.

Brown has worked extensively on Corgan’s Teargarden by Kaleidyscope project, directed the Smashing Pumpkins Record Club during its infancy this year, mixed bonus tracks for the recent reissues of the Pumpkins albums Gish and Siamese Dream, played drums with the Corgan-led supergroup Spirits in the Sky during 2009, and co-produced the Pumpkins track “Superchrist” in 2008, among many other activities. For a time, Brown also helped operate the Pumpkins’ official Twitter account—but now, Brown and Corgan are no longer even following each other on Twitter.

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1. Marc B - 11:04 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

Very fishy. Did he co-produce/engineer on Oceania? I guess he’s, at the very least, not required for the MCIS re-issue. I must say I wasn’t a massive fan of his Starla mix.

2. Misery - 11:06 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

Aww. I remember Billy saying Kerry was his best friend.

3. Marvin the Martain - 11:07 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

Didn’t Kerry and Billy also start a record label together? Wonder what will happen there.

4. Is he one? - 11:08 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

Whoa, I didn’t expect this! Good or bad news? Friendly breakup I hope. Kerry seemed to be so important for the band.

5. alex - 11:08 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

Truly shocking. I remember a few months ago watching a video, I think tweeted by Billy, of Kerry picking up a fallen mic stand at an SD-era show. Sad to see a 20-year relationship come to a close.

6. me - 11:10 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

must be about the record company and oceania and getting paid future royalties for producer credits …. UGLY … really hate to see this … wasn’t Billy living with Kerry’s family and all that … bad bad bad

7. susan - 11:20 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

@Marc B

My understanding is that Kerry was not super-involved with the recording of Oceania… while Billy and the Pumpkins were recording Oceania in Chicago in Billy’s home studio, Kerry was in LA working on the reissues and SPRC. You can look at tweets from over the summer to figure this out.

If I had to guess, production credit on Oceania is probably Billy and maybe Bjorn, unless they’ve got some tricks up their sleeves I don’t know about. But that’s just my speculation based on the publicly available information.

8. Marc B - 11:20 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

He’s a solid engineer, but I don’t think he’s great shakes as a producer- I wonder if a label is insisting on re-mixing Oceania? Pure speculation but could easily have caused the friction.

9. susan - 11:24 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

@Marc B

See my comment above, I do not believe Kerry to have been involved with producing Oceania.

Kerry is at least a good enough producer to get people like Greg Dulli of The Afghan Whigs on his Twilight Singers project. Kerry was running a studio in LA long before Billy went there to start on the Teargarden demos in 2009.

10. ryan - 11:25 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

It’s weird that him and Corgan’s relationship would end so abruptly, especially due to the fact Brown has no daughters.

11. Christopher Wainscott - 11:29 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

I was shocked when I read that, as the two have seemed to have a great relationship for so long. Perhaps HU can score an interview with KB.

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12. Spag - 11:30 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

jeez… Is there any collaboration between Billy and others that didn’t end bad?

13. melanie - 11:31 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

@Ryan Well done.

14. The Stoic - 11:36 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

I guess we’ll finally get to know how just related Kerry’s involvement is with how musically weak the past few years have been.

15. Batman - 11:38 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

see…….what had happened wuz…………..

16. Spag - 11:53 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

Maybe he’s back with D’arcy.

17. melanie - 11:58 am // Friday, December 9, 2011

@The Stoic No, let’s not try to blame Kerry. Let’s place the blame on the man with the master plan, the one who always knows exactly what he’s doing, the man whose supposed missteps are really all carefully premeditated steps in his grand vision for the future that none of us could ever understand.

18. energy - 12:00 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

This sucks. Kerry has been the unofficial 5th pumpkin for a long long time.

19. gyang333 - 12:27 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

@ryan

I believe Kerry does have a daughter.

On a more prescient note, doesn’t anyone find it weird that SP will be doing demoes (or so it’s assumed) by Mike’s other bandmate’s posting their tour is on hold so Mike can do demoes in California? If Kerry is no longer working with SP, why wouldn’t they demo in Chicago?

20. Rat In A Cage - 12:32 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

I remember Billy saying a long time ago that eventually, working with Butch Vig had gotten too “comfortable” and became a detriment. I’ve always felt that rang truer with him and Kerry Brown.

21. Bountiful_Wasteland - 12:33 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

Good question….

22. ryan - 12:39 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

&gyang A-ha!

23. monocoque - 12:39 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

Best thing ever that’s happened to BC/SP since reunion!!!!!!!
NONE of SP’s studio works by Kerry since reunion was good, even a bit. NONE. Absolutely NONE. Horrible mixing, vocal centric and funny-sounding drums, from Zeit through to recent Teargarden works, Messing Starla on SD reissue, Never impressed with mixing of If All Goes Wrong DVD (completely ruining dynamic of Jimmy’s drumming imo).
Even taking into consideration Billy’s recent quality and orientation regarding songwriting, singing and production, Kerry’s incompetency and bad affect is obvious everywhere, .
If he’s involved with Oceania, I really wish they re-record it (at least redo the mixing from scratch).
Music-wise, not working with Kerry can ONLY be good for SP/BC.
I’m so happy.
I just hope the breakup is a friendly one… even if not, I’d go so far as to say that the positives of Kerry not being involved anymore far, far surpasses the negatives of hostile breakup tho… But I do hope it’s a friendly one anyway.

24. Sci-Flyer - 12:39 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

@susan – you’d guess wrong.

25. Dystopic - 12:39 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

Billy Corgan parts ways with longtime friend and musical partner. In other news, the sky is blue.

26. Sci-Flyer - 12:41 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

Also, Kerry only worked as producer for the first EP, after that he was mostly pre-production.

27. hafsteinn - 1:32 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

This reminded me of how good H.U can be at times. No word of this at all on crestfallen, that site is like North Korea basically – hoping to keep on the good site of “dear leader”. My take on this thing is they have gotten a deal from a big label to release oceania but only if they re-recorded it since mike had to cancel that tour.

28. melanie - 1:37 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

@monocoque I don’t think Kerry did any work on Zeitgeist.

29. soltmen - 1:42 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

Not surprised, I’m not impressed with most of Kerry’s ability to mix sound. Unless I’m mistaken, he was at the helm for the early Teargarden releases which have a horrible sound mix.I’m sure it’s a challenge to mix the Pumpkins, a lot of power at all positions in this band, past and present but it’s been successful in the past. I hope it was an amiable split and I wish the best to Kerry.

30. lala - 1:51 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

I bet Shaman Durek told Billy to dump Kerry.

31. Rota - 2:03 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

I didn’t like Kerry’s work with SP but that has no bearing on him as a person. He stuck by Billy and supported him completely. It sucks that this happened.

32. Rota - 2:05 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

One more thing, I think Kerry played a role in getting the reissues going. You may not like some of the mixes but there’s a chance that these might not have even out without someone pushing Billy along.

33. ab - 2:26 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

For the past few years, it’s been hard to view Kerry Brown as anything more than an enabler of Billy’s most self-indulgent tendencies (see: “Superchrist”). It seemed like Kerry was simply Billy’s yes man, which is why he’s been able to stick around the longest (even longer than Jimmy).

34. Rota - 2:29 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

All these assumptions. Stop making excuses for Billy’s choices and passing the blame. There’s no one pulling the strings there.

35. melanie - 2:43 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

@HU Kerry’s tweets are now protected, so when you click that link above, unless someone’s following him, they can’t see what it said.

36. internetcliche - 2:57 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

It’s interesting timing, just yesterday I was thinking I would unsubscribe to Kerry’s blog (aint no sleep..) because it never talked about SP anymore.

37. afk - 4:00 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

Soooooooo happy. He singlehandedly ruined Teargarden songs with his poor mixing.

38. Frank O - 4:07 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

Good, KB sucked!

39. Paul - 4:32 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

The man is a train wreck. The single constant in all these bust ups. Quite sad, he needs to take a good look at himself.

40. Charlcie Woods - 4:46 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

Aw, man…sorry to hear that. Hopefully they’ll resolve their friendship, even if they no longer work together. People really should stop posting mean things &/or making assumptions about either/both of them, though…not cool.

41. drevpile - 4:54 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

About time. Good things come to those who wait.

42. gyang333 - 5:12 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

So who does Billy have left that he would consider his friend that we know publicly? Jimmy went from life partner to white van rider, Kerry is no longer involved (though we are speculating that they are no longer friends, they might still be for what we know), I think BC’s done with Justin Coloma and Linda Strawberry to an extent, otherwise why did he go with Robbie Starbuck to direct Owata? Who’s left? He’s ditched everyone. I always thought it was nice that him and Kerry always got along, since Kerry’s been involved from very early on in SP’s history, it was a nice constant.

43. Just_Erick - 5:13 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

You guys need to really get a hold of yourselves before making such cynical assumption… Not all of Kerry’s work has been bad, Moleasskiss (2011) is quiet possible the best SD re-issue song and he produced/updated it. Not all his work has been stellar but people blame the bad production (since the reunion:TGK) on him when its been Billy’s choice to have that raw sound all along.

He is rough around the edges in terms of his work with SP however, Kerry was a very nice guy who really wanted the band to reach further success. It genuinely seemed like he had Billy’s back with healthy support. This sounds way too fishy, and is very shocking. I have absolutely no doubt that this is about Oceania. Billy and Kerry had so many plans together for the future of SP, it would be too sudden for them too depart. It just has to be the whole record deal/ Oceania. Its really sad to see. Kerry will be missed.

44. Sir Robin - 5:57 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

Always felt like the band could have done better than him…

45. Rusty_pumpkins - 6:05 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

It seems that either your friends with billy or the complete other end of the spectrum. No in between. Good news for the sake of sp. I think maybe Billy was listening to the fans and possibility the powers that be from record companies bout concerns with mixing. Im sure decisions needed to be made but really at the end of the day I don’t think it should ruin a 20 odd year friendship. Kerry is important for sp but maybe just not as much involved as he has been

46. colquittbrett - 6:07 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

I dunno Kerry, but I wish him well in the future. I actually really LIKE the reissue mixes Kerry did. They sound really really good in a 5.1 context.

But I really wish Billy would work with someone that doesn’t kiss his ass. I remember there was some interview/feature on Soundgarden from god knows back in the 90s, and there was a moment where Billy got in an argument with Kim Thayil, and then proceeded to play the best Smashing Pumpkins set of the entire tour.

Billy needs someone to tell him he’s not doing it right. That gives him the inner strength to not only prove that person wrong, but do it in the most brilliant way.

PS: Crestfallen.com/North Korea comparison is the greatest thing I’ve ever read. No offense to Monte, as I know he’s just a fan that’s trying way way way way way way way too hard, but that website is fluffy fanboy dreams. Though I guess when a place like Netphoria exists, you gotta have some sort of balance.

47. afk - 6:07 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

Wrong Just_Erick. All of the Soundworks demos sound much, much better on Mashed Potatoes. Particularly Hello Kitty Kat; with the bass mixed so low, the guitar loses its impact and just sounds like grainy noise.

Although to throw Kerry a bone, his mix of La Dolly Vita is satisfying. If only because it just sounds cleaner.

48. JCelsius - 6:09 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

@ab You didn’t like Superchrist? Am I in the minority that loves that song? (especially the If All Goes Wrong live mix.)

49. Just_Erick - 6:28 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

@afk How could they sound “much” better if they are both variation of the SAME song. Please dont exaggerate, if you like one more than the other its fine but to claim that one is superior to the other is just nonsense.

50. Jonk - 6:40 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

If I was Jeff Schroeder I’d be very worried

/joke

51. Jonk - 6:43 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

I wonder if this is somewhat good news for SP in the weird sense, that Billy seems to really need/want to have a person or two or three who he can really lean on. After Jimmy was gone, Billy really embraced Kerry, Mike and Mark the bass player.

Thanks for all you’ve done Kerry

52. Johnny - 7:33 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

This is really quite sad to me. I was fortunate enough to meet Kerry this year at an SPRC meet-up, the one in Boston. He was extremely kind and welcoming, he made all of the fans feel like they belonged. And based off of the way he and Billy interacted during that meet-up, Kerry really did seem to care for him as a friend. I’m hopeful for them both, I’m sure if it was ugly there was fire on either side. Hopefully this doesn’t spell the end for Starry/Startone records or the SPRC, and hopefully they can both continue to make exellent music :)

53. BitterT - 8:06 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

Kerry is cool, but this could be a good thing. Being around someone for too long hinders creativity. Hope there is no bad blood between the two though.

54. BigAl6ft6 - 8:11 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

I guess Corgan really, really doesn’t like to pay people, eh? More cash for his piece of the gold coast!

55. Daniel - 8:31 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

if this is over something trivial (which I’m guessing it is), this pisses me off. yet it’s entirely unsurprising. does Billy realize how this looks on him??

56. Johnny - 9:05 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

^Apparently it doesn’t matter how it looks. We’re already all assuming that the split was in bad blood, AND his fault, as it is. Kerry may well have his own reasons to split from the Pumpkins or Billy.

57. KingChris - 9:17 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

The problem with TBK is that it is over produced. If Billy would do a double album with a stripped down acoustic set, it would be mega successful. His work is still incredible, it’s just that over produced sound that messes with the brilliant work. If Kerry was an influence in the over production, then this move may be great move. Time will tell.

58. ryan - 10:40 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

New wild speculation: Kerry Brown had something to do with the shipping delays on the remasters.

59. Roger Smith - 10:54 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

@KingChris please STFU with that “it’s overproduced” crap. Its not 1991, so it doesn’t hold water, and you are just plain wrong. Stupid people apparently don’t understand that you can’t always paint immense sonic landscapes with a 4 track recording…and, If anything, TbK was heavily under-produced compared to albums like Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie. Way fewer guitar and vocal tracks, and way “drier” than anything I’ve heard out of Billy over the past 20 years.

So, I don’t really get your stupid comment. If you aren’t into “overproduced” sounds, then SP isn’t (or never should have been) the band for you anyway. I’m guessing you probably meant to say “Billy needs to stop using synthesizers, yo”. Somehow, in the idiot’s mind, use of synth = over-produced.

Signed,
A real “engineer”

60. Bountiful_Wasteland - 11:31 pm // Friday, December 9, 2011

@Roger Smith
You are a tomato. /obscurereference

61. Roger is a retard - 1:23 am // Saturday, December 10, 2011

@Roger
Yeah, it’s kind of over-produced. You don’t know what you’re taking about. Kill yourself, Roger. Thanks.

62. 34 - 1:34 am // Saturday, December 10, 2011

Kerry’s an awesome guy, it’s sad to hear he won’t be a part of anything anymore. His blog posts during the initial TbK recordings were a wealth of information we pretty much never get to see.

But really- while I appreciate the ability to comment on such things (the “Comments disabled” on CF looking more & more frustrating when there’s something TO talk about), I’m rather disappointed that half of the comments here are to the tune of “OMG GOOD RIDDANCE HE SUX0RED.”

Here’s MY wild speculation: Billy saw too many “negative comments on the internet” about Kerry’s mixes. :P”

63. chuck - 2:17 am // Saturday, December 10, 2011

Good to hear..bye bye KB

64. Daniel - 3:47 am // Saturday, December 10, 2011

wow, people telling eachother to kill themselves over an argument about how well-produced an album is.

grow up, kids!

65. monocoque - 4:13 am // Saturday, December 10, 2011

@Roger Smith
I’d say mis-produced then.

altho it’s true that not everything’s down to Kerry of course, and BC himself is much to blame, the simple fact is that Kerry aint no Nigel Godrich. He aint no Vig, Flood, O’Brien etc as sound engineer either.
i always felt that esp after reunion, Kerry’s involvement has gotten too much and that’s only detrimental to SP in terms of output quality.
Maybe he’s more like a local daddy type, who’s quite good at taking care of and teaching basics to young, aspiring musicians, but simply not competent enough in every aspects.

66. lala - 5:26 am // Saturday, December 10, 2011

@BitterT

i agree with you man.

67. Jonk - 6:19 am // Saturday, December 10, 2011

Over-produced? What are you smoking? You didn’t see the comment Billy made about being worried it was under-produced?

68. Jonk - 6:20 am // Saturday, December 10, 2011

Not directed at King Chris

69. AdamDanger! - 6:40 am // Saturday, December 10, 2011

First of all, Kerry is a great guy. But I do think his production skills are less than great. I think he is especially bad at mixing distorted guitars, which unfortunately is what a good 80% of any given Pumpkin song contains. La Dolly Vita, not too much overdrive, so it’s tolerable. Starla 2011? Give me a fucking break because it’s garbage.

I’m also going to speculate that there isn’t any sort of drama with this “split”. We know SP was shopping for new management. They probably signed a deal with some management company, and they took over the stuff that Kerry was unofficially handling. I see nothing but good coming out of this.

70. Matt - 7:20 am // Saturday, December 10, 2011

I think Kerrys a good producer… Its just the teargarden songs were complete boring shit. You cant blame the producer for lazy uninspired song writing.

Kerry seemed really determined to help Billy mend his fractured relationship with the bitter SP fanbase. Hell the guy even let Billy live in his guest house and live with his family. A true gesture of a man who really cares for Billy.

For them to just stop being friends over some stupid business dispute is absurd. And no doubt probably due to Billy and his fucking stupid ego trips.

71. lala - 10:19 am // Saturday, December 10, 2011

i hope we get info on what happened,

72. doug (@audioidkid) - 11:43 am // Saturday, December 10, 2011

I wonder if it was related the Catherine redux….being an opening band in Europe or something along those lines.
That falling through, or BIlly simply thinking Catherine didn’t represent what TSP is trying to do. “We’re not a nostalgia band” concept.
To end a friendship that quickly, you would think it would have been one explosive moment.

~d.

AdamDanger! - 12:14 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

Who ever said they ended their friendship?? The only thing we know is that Kerry is not professionally working for the band. The rest is just speculation at this point.

73. Here is why - 12:16 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

@AdamDanger!
But don’t you find it odd that both of them are not following each other on twitter anymore?

AdamDanger! - 12:19 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

Of course it is a little odd, but everyone is spinning into “the end of friendship” without any hard facts.

74. lotus56 - 1:45 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

I hope this isn’t yet another valued friendship that Billy has severed. If this is simply a case of Kerry no longer working as intimately with Billy in the studio, I very much hope Kerry remains a part of the band setup, perhaps dealing more exclusively with the PR side of things. He seems like an all round great guy, with a much better grasp of interacting with the fans than Billy.

75. Here is why - 2:07 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

Kerry does seem to be a great guy, I really hope they’ll stay friends. My feeling is that it is a good thing if he doesn’t produce and/or mix SP songs though. I’ve rarely been so unsure about some “professionnal” producer’s work with a band. Unsure is to be polite.

76. susan - 2:08 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

I’ve been watching this thread and debating whether to step in and add my views.

I’m one of the apparent few in the hardcore SP fandom who think Teargarden >>>>> Zeitgeist. I actually credit Kerry for so much. From my perspective, it’s clear that early in 2009 Billy was kind of at loose ends with what to do with himself after the departure of Jimmy. Kerry and Coldwater Studios were obviously a safe haven for Billy. Many of the people that Billy was working with during that time period seem to be people Kerry introduced him to (Ysanne Spevack, Mark Tulin, etc.). Kerry provided a home for Billy literally and figuratively in LA and helped him with his new music. I’d much rather listen to the folksy/psychedelic craziness of Spirits in the Sky and Teargarden over Zeitgeist. I think the songs are pretty great and I like most of the recordings, too. I don’t doubt Kerry’s skills, for example, I think his mix of Moleasskiss is AWESOME (think we discussed that on the recent podcast). Kerry also carried a lot of the workload for SPRC during 2011 while Billy was occupied in Chicago recording Oceania.

One of Kerry’s greatest impacts has clearly been within the fan community. Those who had the pleasure of interacting with him via Twitter, SPRC meetups, or otherwise, know him as a kind soul who was very interesting in winning over the fanbase and keeping us updated with what was going on with the band. Kerry wasn’t a slick marketing or PR professional, but in many ways his kindly hippie demeanor was much preferable. I’m thankful for all he did for Billy and the band.

I can’t help but wonder if many of those who are saying nasty things on this thread never interacted with Kerry on Twitter or otherwise. Perhaps some are just part of the pro-Jimmy Chamberlain contingent who can’t accept a post-Jimmy Pumpkins and therefore despise Kerry because he represents that era to them. Maybe others just don’t get what a significant friend and musical support-person Kerry has been to Billy over the last two years. Honestly, from everything Billy has said, I don’t know if we’d even have the Smashing Pumpkins at all if not for Kerry stepping in to help Billy at his darkest moment in 2009. I’m sure Billy would be doing something, but I’m not sure it would be the Pumpkins.

Godspeed Kerry. I’ll continue to watch your current projects and hope that you come back to the SP fold.

77. Rota - 2:48 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

That was great, Susan. It needed to be said. Kerry did a great job in trying to repair the damaged relationship between Billy and the fans, and his work with SPRC, including arranging if the meetups, was great. It’s a shame that people are looking always looking to the bad and not all the good he did, which far outweighs any dubious complaints about his production skills.

78. lala - 2:50 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

great post susan. makes me look at the situation from a different perspective

79. Phillip - 3:03 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

Never understood the issues ppl have with Zeitgeist, sometimes I just feel like it’s the cool thing to do to not like Zeitgeist.

80. vermiciouskanid - 3:35 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

THANK GOD I AM SO HAPPY. KERRY BROWN IS SHIT

81. Johnny - 3:46 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

@Susan
Couldn’t have said it better. I enjoy both Zeitgeist and Teargarden as much as any other SP album, and Kerry often times took those songs to new, interesting directions. I really do hope there’s a way for him back, that the door isn’t closed. I remember him saying at the meetup “I just don’t let the negative in”. Maybe things were getting tense and he decided to take a step back.

82. Bountiful_Wasteland - 3:55 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

@Susan +1

83. Bring it! - 4:31 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

Zeitgeist is a great album. Better than TBK up to now even though I appreciate the latter.

84. Jezabel - 4:55 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

It’s just a professional split, not a personal split… Their work together is done, now they’re concentrating on other avenues. Professional Artists can do that without personal conflict.

85. Here is why - 4:58 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

@Jezabel
Again, them stopping to follow each other on twitter seems like a clear sign that there is some personnal aspects to the breakup.

86. MAKO - 6:32 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

@Here is why:

Possibly. But they just ended a professional relationship of +20 years. Maybe they don’t want to read tweets of each other right now. Tweet sthat one of them ist recording some shitty band and the other one makes an announcement of an announcement again. I could understand that.

87. stratoholic - 6:37 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

i feel bad for billy losing a friend, but i think kb was just riding the pumpkins coat-tails. i never was a fan of his production on tgbk. overall i think this is the best move, him not being associated with the pumpkins.

88. AmazingHat - 6:57 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

@susan At the end of the day, the quality of the music far outweighs anything else. And although music criticism is ultimately subjective, the overwhelming consensus among fans and critics alike (as far as I can tell) has been that the Teagarden production has been extremely poor. So, to cut to the chase, if the production has sucked, I certainly won’t lose sleep over the loss of the producer, amicable or not.

89. Rota - 7:06 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

Teargarden was relatively were received by the critics, not so much by the fans. It’s still stupid that some of you really believe that Billy will magically start creating “quality music” again just because Kerry is no longer producing some of the work.

90. Graves - 9:26 pm // Saturday, December 10, 2011

Kerry co-produced Plume, Starla, and Blew Away back on the original Pisces album, so he has done some good work. Teargarden songs sound the way they do because Billy wants them to sound that way. No way would he release something if it wasn’t how he wanted it.

91. rapapapa - 6:46 pm // Sunday, December 11, 2011

My guess is that the reason they’ve stopped following each other on twitter is just to laugh at your speculations about it. And I agree with Graves, that it’s not Kerrys fault, that most of the tbk songs are rubbish. He has done some nice work in the past.

92. stratoholic - 5:10 am // Monday, December 12, 2011

remember, KB was the genius that brought us Fancy Space People… worse opening band i have ever seen in my entire life! that alone is reason enough to kick him to the curb.

93. Is he one? - 8:13 am // Monday, December 12, 2011

Rapapapa said it, then it must be true.

94. werideatdusk - 10:41 am // Monday, December 12, 2011

all this hatred is pretty sickening. these are real people we’re talking about. i think having kerry around was very helpful for billy the last few years, i certainly wish him the best. Love fancy space people, too.

that said, i do think it’s time for Billy to work again with a sharp and critical producer, specifically, Flood…

95. werideatdusk - 10:59 am // Monday, December 12, 2011

Big thanks to @susan for those words, as well.

Also, Congas on Astral Planes FTW!!!

I’m dead serious. SP going psychedelic again is exactly what needed to happen.

96. ddb - 11:19 am // Monday, December 12, 2011

It’s too bad Billy never released “Emerald Green is the Colour.” One of the best psychedelic-folk songs ever.

97. listers_mullet - 3:01 pm // Monday, December 12, 2011

afk and AdamDanger – Kerry didn’t remix La Dolly Vita for the reissue; Butch Vig did. untr00 fan alert

This is pretty shocking news, and seems like some serious shit must have gone down. Kerry, from all accounts and evidence, seems like the greatest dude to be around and work with. If I were a betting man, I’d have to guess it was a money thing that came between them.

98. AdamDanger! - 3:14 pm // Monday, December 12, 2011

@listers_mullet Well, this certainly explains why it’s a good mix… Totally forgot they got Butch to do some mixes.

Please don’t start with the untr00 fan bullshit– it’s so cliche anymore. It’s de rigueur to say something like, “You used to be a true fan, and then you took an arrow in the knee.”

99. jjb - 5:18 pm // Monday, December 12, 2011
100. KingChris - 8:01 pm // Monday, December 12, 2011

Does the last question of this interview refer to Kerry? Hmmmm….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iReNIY-avrs

@Roger Smith I am not so sure your opinion is highly regarded. If you are going to claim any expertise on what your opinion should merit, you should have at least pointed out some references since you are a self proclaimed so-called engineer.

101. GrungeReport.net » Blog Archive » SMASHING PUMPKINS SPLIT WITH PRODUCER & LONGTIME ASSOCIATE KERRY BROWN - 11:09 pm // Monday, December 12, 2011

[...] Credit: Hipsters United [...]

102. gyang333 - 11:19 pm // Monday, December 12, 2011

@listers_mullet

I’m going to agree with you on the money issue. Kerry seems so chill in real life. Everyone has one of those friends, and it takes something really huge (or a series of small things) to really piss them off. Of course, I could be wrong since I don’t know Kerry, and he could be a major douche, but somehow I can’t see that happening.

The ironic thing is, both Kerry and Billy are rich. Well, rich enough where money should not be an issue to either of them. I can see Kerry wanting to receive some sort of on-going compensation for his work with SPRC and the meetups and whatnot.

Not to derail this thread, but I always saw a parallel between Kerry and Billy’s venture with Billie Joel Armstrong’s venture with Jason White (their touring guitarist) where both groups of men founded their own label. I noticed how on the starry records website that Billy is no longer mentioned.

It’s a shame because Kerry was a huge driving force for SP’s social media presence.

103. redhawk - 11:47 pm // Monday, December 12, 2011

How do we know that Billy and Kerry are rich?

104. MAKO - 6:32 am // Tuesday, December 13, 2011

We don’t know about Kerry but Billy is a rockstar from a time when rockstars made shitloads of money.

105. Is he one? - 7:23 am // Tuesday, December 13, 2011

How do you know that kerry is rich @gyang333?

I also choose the money issue as the most probable one.

106. susan - 9:24 am // Tuesday, December 13, 2011

Kerry lives in a desirable neighborhood in LA and has a guest house. We know that he knows Jessica Simpson because she lives just a few doors down from him.

Also, Kerry’s wife is a successful movie producer. For example, she produced Contagion – remember Billy tweeting that he got to meet Matt Damon? Well, Matt Damon was in Contagion.

Just because two people are rich doesn’t mean they couldn’t have a conflict over money, however.

107. werideatdusk - 12:03 pm // Tuesday, December 13, 2011

@jjb

I feel compelled to weigh in on things from a hopefully compassionate perspective. It seems like most SP fans (and bloggers) have a sense of entitlement where they think that Corgan or anyone else in the SP world owes them something. The truth is, Billy could shut himself up in a mansion somewhere and not have to deal with all of this insanity, but he keeps soldiering on making new SP music.

I have found a similar attitude in a lot of your posts here at HU as well, that we, as a fan community, should for some reason hold people’s feet to the fire if they say something inconsistent or fail to deliver on something. I don’t think that attitude is helpful to artists.

That said, HU is very helpful for reporting things like this that Monte won’t touch for whatever reason. The fans should stay informed. I just wish people would remember that these are human beings with real lives and not cartoon characters on an Internet reality show…

108. jjb - 1:00 pm // Tuesday, December 13, 2011

@werideatdusk Evidence is really valued around here; perhaps you have noticed our ethic of linking virtually every claim we make in our posts to the sources. I certainly have noticed your habit of making sweeping dippy generalizations while providing no evidence. I want to blow your comment off as being seriously uninformed but instead I too am going to take the lazy way out and just rant at you, for if this time you can’t be bothered to provide evidence to justify this new* criticism of HU (really, me in particular—so compassionate you are), I don’t see why I should have to bust my ass this time to find the exact posts and podcasts that would exonerate HU. It is work, I admit that, but worthwhile discourse IS WORK, work that you, my friend, are not doing.

To my mind the 4+ years of my HU stuff demonstrate that I am mostly—even possibly overwhelmingly, and often quite explicitly (esp. if you listen to the podcasts)—with you on how critics and fans overvalue ‘consistency’ from an artist. But there have been times and issues where I thought Billy overstepped from inconsistency into hypocrisy. Those times and issues tend to center on this notion: Billy demands endless ‘chances’ from his audience, but doesn’t give endless chances to others.** At those times, sure, I’ve handed it to him (and as you note, I’ve not remotely been going it alone at those times). But this site has hardly been ‘hurtful’ to Billy, either in the whole or in the particular instances; he keeps going, like you said, and he’s often said any reaction, negative or positive, can fuel him.*** We are (still) paying attention and judging, good or bad, all the time, and according to what he says (some of the time, lol inconsistency) it’s this which is very helpful to him as an artist.

*The previous evidence-free criticism having been conclusively refuted under a mound of evidence provided by Chris and myself, you’re moving on to new ground. Fine then.

**When speaking about the relative commercial failure of Adore, Billy was very explicit about having ‘earned’ these chances but the audience was denying them to him by refusing to buy or listen to or appreciate Adore. (Talk about entitlement.)

***This was a theme particularly with regard to the 20th Anniversary tour, but throughout the revival of the band too.

109. werideatdusk - 2:06 pm // Tuesday, December 13, 2011

DIPPY!

Sir you have crossed the line. I’m going back to bed now.

110. jjb - 2:14 pm // Tuesday, December 13, 2011

ihbt

111. werideatdusk - 2:21 pm // Tuesday, December 13, 2011

Sorry man, I was gonna write out a point-by-point, citation-filled, spotless dissection of every point you made.

Then I realized this isn’t law school, its a fuckin rock band…

112. jjb - 2:51 pm // Tuesday, December 13, 2011

I have spent much time reading various fan sites and have gained subtle understanding of the band-fan dynamics taking place through them, and so, out of compassion for all involved, I felt compelled here today to criticize strongly certain of your attitudes as compared to those evinced by other writers in the fan community. lol y u mad tho? no 1 curr

113. afk - 8:18 pm // Tuesday, December 13, 2011

@48 Just Erick

The SOUND is better. I am well aware they are the exact same cuts, but they don’t sound anything alike.

114. Bring it! - 8:31 pm // Tuesday, December 13, 2011

Come on jjb… don’t be that way…. :-(

115. rapapapa - 8:34 pm // Tuesday, December 13, 2011

@Is he one?
sure!

116. chaja - 3:53 am // Wednesday, December 14, 2011

As Rome burns to da madafakin ground, Billy and Kerry

117. frank - 3:00 pm // Wednesday, December 14, 2011

Kerry was an incredibly weak engineer with incredibly questionable taste. Im an engineer . I was stunned at the lack o snic quality to these later records.

118. Rota - 8:09 pm // Wednesday, December 14, 2011

What later records? Kerry, along with Billy, only produced the Teargarden EPs.

119. “Billy has the content, they want it, everyone is happy.” « Hipsters United - 12:34 am // Monday, January 30, 2012

[...] a (former?) business associate of Kerry Brown, has worked with the Pumpkins for at least several months now, [...]

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