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‘Drown’ demo coming first from Smashing Pumpkins’ “Record Club” 11:51 pm // Saturday, August 20, 2011

Posted by susan in gish, news, oceania, record club, siamese dream, video.
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In a YouTube video released tonight, Billy Corgan describes his vision for the recently announced Smashing Pumpkins Record Club, including potential “audio documentaries” of the band’s recording process; waxes rhapsodic about the Siamese Dream reissue audio; and provides an update on the progress of Oceania. A full transcript of his remarks:

Hello everyone, it’s Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins. Currently in the studio, finishing Oceania, I hope. Also getting ready for our tour of the US and Europe, so it’s a very busy time. I’ve got a few details to update you on what’s going on with the archival reissues and the debut of the Smashing Pumpkins Record Club, what we’re calling the SPRC. We’re going to offer a free track to start with, in exchange for your email address, because we all know that’s so valuable. So you have to sign up for the Record Club, it’s free to sign up, but you’ll get a free song. And the first song we’re going to release for free is a demo recording of “Drown,” which we found in going through the archives. It was recorded roughly around the end of ’91, early ’92, somewhere in the Gish touring we were writing songs which we hoped were going to be for Siamese Dream. And I believe in a couple days we recorded five demos: “Luna,” “STP,” “Drown,” “Silver[fuck],” and something else I can’t remember. And so this is the actual demo from that time. And as part of what we’re going to do here with the Record Club, we’re going to provide certain materials that the band worked with to make its decisions. So although we eventually hope to offer this demo for sale, remixed and updated to 96k 24-bit status, which all our releases will be available as 96k 24-bit unmastered files, the “Drown” here that you’ll have will be the actual rough mix from the time. Which we actually think is kind of cool, because even though it’s a little bit of a lower fidelity than we’ll eventually offer the song at, you do get a sense of what the band was listening to at the time… I think I’ve already said that.

Also know that we’re considering all sorts of different options, coming across these materials. One I think people will find really interesting, is we found about two plus hours of Gish-related working materials that would have been our rough mixes and things like that, at the time of making the Gish record. And we’ve got about four, five, or six hours of Siamese Dream-related materials that really kind of give you insight into the recording process. You hear all sorts of things: rough vocals that weren’t used, songs before they had particular lyrics, it’s really interesting, even for me, to listen through chronologically, because you can really hear some of the progression. So we may be offering those as sort of audio documentaries, possibly with or without commentary, so we’re exploring those options. And we may do something, where, those types of projects, we’ll offer on a basis where we’ll see who wants to invest in it initially as a start up, to see if there’s enough interest to actually have those materials come out. I’d like to see them come out, but obviously we got a lot going on right now.

So yes, we’re prepping for the tour, it’s going to be very interesting, it’s going to be a debut of some of the Oceania songs. I’m halfway through the singing at least, I’ve got maybe five more songs to go on the singing, so we’re getting pretty close. We start mixing September 1, we hope that the music will start to be available to be heard somewhere in the November area. We’re working out those details now. Oceania will have a commercial release. Because we found particularly in Europe and other countries outside the US, that… we’re finding it hard for people to realize that Teargarden is even in progress and that the tracks are available. So we’re still going to try to go back through some of the traditional chains to put people into contact with the record. Particularly because it’s an album, we do want it to be heard as an album. And uh, what else?

So, I know there’s a bit of confusion, but Oceania will be able to be heard relatively soon. So I saw some people, I think on my twitter feed, who were freaking out, saying why is the album delayed? The album’s not delayed, we’re totally on schedule, actually, it’s rare, because usually we’re not on schedule. So that’s about it for now, we’re really excited, super busy time, super busy time. It’s often, in one room we have, we have, we’re working on Siamese Dream reissue materials and I walk back in the other room and I have to work on a solo for a song. So, I’m living in about 30 different eras at once. But it’s exciting, it’s exciting to hear the music, and for those of you who haven’t seen my Twitter feed, listening to the unmastered files of Siamese Dream and then the Bob Ludwig mastered files of Siamese Dream… mindblowing. Best I’ve ever heard the record, since it was recorded. I’d accepted long ago that you would never hear the record at the level of fidelity that we recorded it at and now that moment’s here when you can hear the record like that, and wow, stunning, because I hadn’t heard it like that for eighteen years, and it blew my mind. And everybody around here is just freaked out how good it sounds. So I’m really excited, it’s gonna be a fantastic time, and just one more little tidbit of information. We’re looking at maybe including a DVD extra disc, with the… so like Gish would have an extra disc of released and unreleased materials, some things obvious, obviously something like “Drown” belongs on the Gish extra disc, but there’s gonna be unreleased stuff, Soundworks demos, things like that, and then maybe also a DVD component, we’ve unearthed some footage in concerts and things like that, some really great stuff.

So, super exciting time, I think I’ve said that about forty times. Honestly, I may not look it, cause I’m just tired. Right now I’m in the corner over here working on lyrics. There’s the, that’s the Mellon Collie piano there, from my old Victorian house. I’m working on lyrics for a song called “Four Winds Blow” or “Four Winds Chime” or “Four Winds” something, “Four” nothing. And I’ll be singing that later today. So we’ll put up a fresh update, with more information on the “Drown” release relatively soon when we actually launch the record club, but we wanted to start putting out those details now. And to be pretty simple: sign up for the record club for free, just give us your email, so we can stay in contact with you and let you know what’s going on, because obviously we want everyone to participate in this process on every level, both encouraging and also helping fund some of these projects, which will help these materials come out so everybody can share them… that’s the great thing about the internet now is, we all can connect on these issues. I know I want these materials in everybody’s hand so, it’s finally time, the time is finally here, finally no more talk… so OK, talk to you soon. Take Care. Over and out. BC out. Or something like that.

Comments

1. apm - 12:41 am // Sunday, August 21, 2011

Thorough work from both Billy and susan! :)

2. Philip Davis - 12:44 am // Sunday, August 21, 2011

Exciting stuff there. Thanks for making the transcript so non-video watching internet goers can read everything at our own leisure.

3. Adam - 1:04 am // Sunday, August 21, 2011

I am extremely excited about hearing the gish/siamese dream takes, different recorded versions, etc etc. this is all exciting news.

4. Adam - 1:46 am // Sunday, August 21, 2011

btw is this the drown demo BC is talking about?

5. afk - 2:50 am // Sunday, August 21, 2011

What are you thinking about Oceania so far Adam, with all that it is shaping up to be? Curious.

6. Graves - 3:00 am // Sunday, August 21, 2011

@afk ? who is adam and why does anyone care what he/she thinks about Oceania?

7. redhandcorgan - 8:09 am // Sunday, August 21, 2011

Great first song is a song we already have how about an unreleased song geezz plus if thats the same drown demo already out then wtf!

8. MonteLDS - 8:52 am // Sunday, August 21, 2011

@Adam i am really sure the demo has never been heard outside of the SP archive walls.

9. gyang333 - 9:46 am // Sunday, August 21, 2011

I really appreciate the transcript Susan! You’re quickly becoming my favourite Hipster. I used to think, meh, why bother with a transcript? But I’m on vacation in China and Chairman Mao doesn’t want people laughing at kittens being cute or transgenders doing covers of pop songs or fat people falling so YouTube is blocked for me. Anyway, thanks for the transcript and the coverage.

10. Michael - 10:06 am // Sunday, August 21, 2011

I hope all of this contact with the Siamese Dream material influences the new material.

11. JENN - 11:19 am // Sunday, August 21, 2011

Sweetie needs a nap and a rub down.

12. T-Dizzle - 12:25 pm // Sunday, August 21, 2011

Sweet “Drown” demo!!

13. apm - 12:56 pm // Sunday, August 21, 2011

HU.com: NOT blocked by the Great Firewall. Wonder what we could do to change that? ;)

14. apm - 1:02 pm // Sunday, August 21, 2011

Going by the Studio Sessions info at spfc.org, it would appear the Drown demo comes from this one, which is “unreleased” according to the notes. Luna and STP map to what Billy said at least. Not sure the background about how “we” know about this though if the results have never left “the archive”. Figure the Drown demo Adam posted above is from sessions at Smart Studio in 1992, which was aborted due to Jimmy being drunk, according to the notes?

15. Johnny - 1:58 pm // Sunday, August 21, 2011

@gyant, Sorry, it’s the internet. You know how it is, not every comment is a thoughtful one. Bet the Chairman is an SP fan. ;)

16. internetcliche - 2:19 pm // Sunday, August 21, 2011

Even if it the above Drown demo was released officially, you might already “have” it, but wouldn’t it be nice to have it without distracting tape hiss and in better fidelity?

17. snowtrooper - 2:59 pm // Sunday, August 21, 2011

and again i wish they were still producing dual discs.

18. Aaron - 7:50 pm // Sunday, August 21, 2011

Billy – With all due respect, we’ve heard “Drown” a thousand times. Unreleased material please! Even if it’s a jam, I’d rather hear something I’ve never heard than something I’m very familiar with.

19. Andy Schamisso - 8:54 pm // Sunday, August 21, 2011

Yo-

In case you didn’t notice, you can play the billy stuff with the drown video (below the billy stuff) at a lower volume to create a nice experience.

Both around the same time.

Peace (oh, and drink Inko’s White Tea dammit.)

20. snowtrooper - 9:46 pm // Sunday, August 21, 2011

some people are never happy – this is just first free release….why would he give away even more “important” or unreleased material for fans who complain more than any other in the history of fans?
i just a bluray of that owata film

21. skullivan - 9:55 pm // Sunday, August 21, 2011

@aaron It’s the first release, it goes without saying that there’ll be plenty of unreleased songs to follow. If they really want to monetize it, that’s inevitable. I’m just glad it’s finally getting rolling after all these years.

I will say however, that with the vast amount of material in the archives that hopefully they’ll either release stuff rapidly (1 track or more every week) or release groups of songs every month. I wouldn’t want to see these 6 demos trickled out over 6 months.

22. jibernish - 1:01 pm // Monday, August 22, 2011

Any ideas on how the 96/24 music will get to us? Especially SD. That’s what I’m most excited about.

23. Logan Mccoy - 4:54 pm // Monday, August 22, 2011

So How do you join sprc Because im very interested in that on getting free tracks before everyone else,Also to you people that diss On SP bogus Pices Of Shit.Anyway Hope Oceania Is going to Be Killer,Billy You Rule And Keep Make Us Fans Happy Please

24. Tobias Earnshaw - 7:38 pm // Monday, August 22, 2011

This is what I miss about music these days…it has soul and meaning. I’m sick of all this Lady Gaga, Matchbox 20 bullshit. Bring back the 90’s.

25. chuck - 9:36 am // Tuesday, August 23, 2011

@ Tobias Matchbox 20 was the 90
s!!! LOL

26. skullivan - 12:11 pm // Tuesday, August 23, 2011

@jibernish They’ll be downloads, but outside of that (price, format, availability) it’s anyone’s guess. It’d be great if they offered them for free with purchase of the physical sets (or at least a small upgrade fee) but my bet is that they’ll be sold at full price or even a premium over standard downloads.

27. jibernish - 11:48 am // Wednesday, August 24, 2011

@skullivan – thanks for the info. I’ve been wanting 96k/24 since SACD and DVD audio came out, and I’m wondering how I’ll be able to enjoy these. I guess through headphones on my laptop, or I can hook that up to my receiver.

I’m assuming there’s little chance they’ll be re-mixed for surround sound. If I could get Siamese Dream through Machina in surround…. I remember how good The Downward Spiral sounded on SACD.

28. Michael Paksima - 8:51 pm // Wednesday, August 24, 2011

DVD!!!! I’ve been waiting so many years as a loyal fan for this time period right now, just didn’t realize it. :D

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