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Corgan returns to scene of the crime, wows Columbus 1:09 am // Sunday, July 11, 2010

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No one grumbled about getting a refund this time.  A year and a half after the misunderstood Special Acoustic Halloween Show (after which some of the frattier audience members complained about wanting their money back), the Pumpkins returned to Columbus with a smaller lineup, a set of new songs, and practically blew the doors off the Newport Music Hall.

This has been a very different Smashing Pumpkins tour so far.  At the conclusion of the last proper tour, Billy Corgan promised (or threatened, depending on your perspective) no more old songs, that everything from there on out would be forward-thinking new material.

A look at the singles-heavy setlist would lead many of us to think that Billy has abandoned this line of thinking, that after years of doing things his way he’s finally caved to critical pressure to just be a nostalgia act.  But along with the standard high-energy 2+ hour sets, Corgan’s efforts to cater directly to us, the devoted (or just to tell it like it is: crazy) fans who take his every tweet, piece of banter, and ustream comment personally, paint a decidedly different picture.

Not that the interaction has been without its rough patches.  At the start of last night’s soundcheck, Billy asked if we had been waiting outside.  Upon hearing that one group of fans had been camping out since 7 AM, his reaction seemed to be one of awkward bewilderment, seemingly unable to relate to someone sitting outside a Chipotle for 11 hours just for an extremely intimate half-hour set with their favorite band.

But the tendency is always to over-analyze minor comments and reactions, and for the rest of the set he was self-deprecating and jovial, joking with his bandmates like they were all old friends.  At one point Billy, unable to find the lyric sheet for the song he wanted to play next, asked the audience if we had any questions for the band.  Having been warned by event staff before being ushered in about making annoying comments and of course having heard about the previous night’s abrupt ending, nobody said a word.  After a beat, Billy said “good”, but got immediately chastised by Jeff, who explained that most likely we were afraid he would kick us out.  Billy laughed and said he didn’t kick anyone out, he kicked himself out (by leaving the stage), but Jeff continued needling Billy.  “Do you want me to kick them out again,” Billy jokingly asked Jeff.  Jeff responded in the affirmative, saying he was hungry and kicking off some good-natured ribbing of Mike Byrne’s McDonalds habit and Nicole’s unwillingness to have a beer during lunch on a “work day”.

The entirety of what was referred to as the “soundcheck party” can’t really be described.  It was a totally unique experience that I highly recommend to anyone interested in new material and willing to spend an afternoon outside in the heat or rain.  It wasn’t a real soundcheck, as that was done before we entered, it was more like being at a rehearsal, with Billy often directing Mike when it was his turn to start a particular song instead of Billy’s.

It’s hard to get a real sense of the songs while standing in the front of an empty auditorium with the vocals sometimes lost admist a wall of guitars reverberating throughout the room, but I’ll focus on a song unheard as of yet by anyone else, “Zen Baby”.  Billy asked Jeff if the title sounded like the name of a cult, and then the band broke out a chugging guitar and drum riff, reminiscent of the rhythm of Razor but with more energy.  At times it seemed to channel early 80′s punk, and it was probably the most well-received by the crowd.  After finishing the song, Billy knowingly smiled at Nicole and said “they really liked that one”, as if he knew all along that we would.

After a bite to eat, my girlfriend and I made our way to the balcony to get a different perspective on a Pumpkins show.  I witnessed a Machina show from the front rail, and to be honest I didn’t enjoy being pressed against a metal rail for two and a half hours.  Plus, being perched above the crowd would let me really get a sense of how the crowd would react to the new songs.

I’m like most of you in that I’ve heard Bullet and Today live enough times and would rather hear them play Apathy’s Last Kiss or Pisces Iscariot straight through or something equally obscure.  Normally I make an effort to not let the written setlist give me preconceived notions, but this time I must admit I was a bit disappointed.  It’s the first time that our fictional $100 challenge had no winners, because there were no “new” old songs.

The energy of the band and the crowd threw any preconceived notions out the window.  From the opening chords of Astral Planes, the crowd was transfixed.  As much as the Halloween show was ruined for me by the hostile crowd, this show was lifted up by an absolutely amazing audience.  A Song for a Son was recognized and cheered-for by approximately half the attendees.  As Rome Burns sent the floor into a frenzy, and a mosh pit formed not only during the expected hits but also during Owata.  The only real break in the energy was during the slower Eye, but even then there were no iPhones taken out or disinterested catcalls.  Mixing the new songs in with the hits in the way they did worked perfectly, with the energy carrying through them even if they weren’t recognized sing-alongs.

At this point, encores are expected during every concert.  If the house lights don’t come up, the band isn’t done.  But while the crowd started to thin out during the Halloween encore break, this audience’s screaming was deafening.  Night and day isn’t enough to describe the dichotomy between this concert and 2008.

I’m sure a lot of the difference was the frequency and number of hits.  I’m also sure that at least some of the difference was due to the makeup of this crowd.  With The Ohio State University out for the summer, there was quite a large contingency of middle- and high-school age kids, to the point where Billy noticed it from the stage.

Being a Smashing Pumpkins fan can be trying sometimes, even for the most hardcore of the hardcore.  Standing in line, we withstood the usual “they aren’t the real Pumpkins” comments from passers-by.  Critics give the band little respect, and the usual reaction to “I’m a Pumpkins fan” is “Oh yeah?  I loved Siamese Dream but everything after that was crap”.  Experiences like this, with an intimate mini-concert for dedicated concertgoers, a live chat for those following along from home, and a blistering concert for those in attendance, are what make it worthwhile.

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1. reggaeluv2000 - 1:34 am // Sunday, July 11, 2010
2. Adam - 1:48 am // Sunday, July 11, 2010

disclaimer: I am NOT trying to be a negative nancy. just an observation.

this is how sp concerts go these days it seems, hit or miss. You’ll go to one that is completely dull with a shit audience, then find one that is completely energetic.

I saw the band in October 2007 in Boston, the first show they played WBFTT. The audience didn’t let up. Of course, the band responded well. The set list was well paced, fans were dancing from top to bottom. They kept playing encores (3 in total). The set list had them playing US, Drown for encore 1, 1979 for encore 2. They also added LMGTW, and left the stage. Again, the audience roared, so they came back and played Cherub Rock. Billy stayed afterwards on stage, waving, shaking hands, then takes the mic and proceeds to tell how much he appreciated the audience, how proud he was to be back in the pumpkins, how happy he was. The audience gave him the love and they gave it back.

1 year later, they play the same town, Boston. Completely different story.. and IMO musically this was a much, much better show. But the audience sat through half the set, only seemed to cheer/dance during the hits, and showed apathy for the rest of the show, even the fan favorites. Of course, he went on his typical sarcastic rants, telling the audience they ‘here another one, a song you actually care about’.. plays disarm. tells the audience to leave if they don’t like psychedelic rock (before I Am One II.. and I swear I saw Jimmy rolling his eyes and the horn players frown as well).. and it bummed me out. The band sounded KILLER.. and the audience could have given two fucks. It was amazing to me how this same town gave the band one of the best shows of that leg of the tour, only a year later to make them feel completely uncomfortable on stage.

I guess it depends on the town, the drinking water that night, whatever. I remember parts of the TFE tour being contentious, but when he came to Boston it was the same story as the 07 Pumpkins concert.. I was thinking ‘where is all this negativity everyone is talking about.’

Where this band is starting out new, fresh, the energy is high and positive. and it seems the audiences are reacting well. I personally feel the band sounds terrible, and will not be spending money to see this imitation SP play, but wish BC luck and hope he can finally maintain the positive energy he seems to be receiving from current audiences. Hopefully it’s not another ‘feels good for the moment’ high.

3. colquitt - 1:55 am // Sunday, July 11, 2010

Thanks for the great review. I haven’t seen the band since the Machina days, but this new line-up and energy seems to winning a lot of folks over. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a happy Smashing Pumpkins show. Could be interesting.

4. jcoriha - 2:12 am // Sunday, July 11, 2010

Everything I’ve heard so far sounds great. I still want to hear a full “Perfect” as I have always preferred the solo acoustic version (love the album version, but it just didn’t seem to work live).

Even the clip of Bullet I heard sounded more alive to me then I’ve heard it sound since right after MCIS came out.

5. Rasheed - 3:05 am // Sunday, July 11, 2010

“Upon hearing that one group of fans had been camping out since 7 AM, his reaction seemed to be one of awkward bewilderment, seemingly unable to relate to someone sitting outside a Chipotle for 11 hours just for an extremely intimate half-hour set with their favorite band.”

Who could relate to that? it’s insanity. i can’t believe people would wait outside for 11 hours to see a sound check.

That being said, the Grand Rapids show was great. The 5th time I’ve seen them since the “reunion”, and I think the crowds are starting to know what to expect. Also, the smaller venues help to keep the poseurs out.
To say the band sounds terrible is to miss the point. Yes, there were some mistakes at the show, but the band never tried to hide it. They are using this tour to come together as a band.
This is not an imitation of SP, this is the real deal.

6. sunkissed - 3:46 am // Sunday, July 11, 2010

thanks for the review, chris.

“Being a Smashing Pumpkins fan can be trying sometimes, even for the most hardcore of the hardcore. Standing in line, we withstood the usual “they aren’t the real Pumpkins” comments from passers-by. Critics give the band little respect, and the usual reaction to “I’m a Pumpkins fan” is “Oh yeah? I loved Siamese Dream but everything after that was crap”. ”

this is the universal experience of smashing pumpkins fandom!

7. drevpile - 5:34 am // Sunday, July 11, 2010

Do you think that they’d be healineing festivals around the world on the back of 5 ‘new’ songs?

8. spacey boyo - 7:01 am // Sunday, July 11, 2010

I’ll be camping out overnight to get into the soundeck at the Richmond show. Not necessary, but it will feel good.

9. Bryan - 7:38 am // Sunday, July 11, 2010

Right on Chris! I was at the Newport show Friday and witnessed a dynamic and energy filled show as well! The kinetic power in the building was flat awesome. I also saw them last night in Louisville, KY. The band energy was still there but the crowd consisted of mostly “jam band” fans. That said, they cheered and their were no rough patches, aside from the crowds pechant for throwing glow sticks on stage. Sweaty club crowds work better SP and myself. Great article Chris!

10. Gv - 9:30 am // Sunday, July 11, 2010

@ Sunkissed.

I have a friend, who calls himself a Smashing Pumpkins fan, who claims they peaked with Gish. Wrap your mind around that.

11. Samothrace - 10:37 am // Sunday, July 11, 2010

Fantastic review, well stated about the whole event. I’m up from Canton..and had never been to Newport Hall before. Loved this venue for a Pumpkins show. When you are 5’3 woman, being smashed into a guys armpit isn’t always the greatest, but I was able to get right along the railing, perched on a corner with a great view the whole show. I had not been able to see them since I saw them at the United Center in Chicago 11-29-00….I was on such an euphoric high after the show, I crashed with a friend and was like I need more. I checked to see if Pittsburgh was sold out….saw the festival in Kentucky, thought it’s only like 3 hours away. Done. I much prefer them in smaller venues with people where the majority, know what is going on! ie. the guy standing next to me was yelling jimmy…and also going I hope they play that end or beginning song or what is it. ::palm to forehead:: All this said……I had a fantastic time. While I don’t know of anywhere else, but Ohio fans are always good to each other. I tried to explain to the person who was with me…that doesn’t know much of the pumpkins…I’m converting him, no worries, that the fanbase vibe would be way different from the Cbus show the the Louisville show. In Louisville I wish I had a sign that said Ohio Loves You! lol Awesome experience that took my show tally from 3 to 5. And sitting in line for 12 hours for a soundcheckish completely worth it. Totally would have done it, but the guy I was with was scared by the rain. I sat in freezing lake effect weather for 12 hours for a signing. haha! Last random thought as I’m still clearly on my Euphoric Pumpkins High….best question asked to me while waiting in line outside. A woman got out of her car, looking completely bewildered yet completely serious in her question, Are you guys inline for Chipotle? yes, yes we are. B/c Chipotle always has a 3 block line.

12. david - 1:07 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

i too was at the c-bus show and it was maybe the best set i’ve ever seen SP play. can i just say…i have no idea what adam is talking about saying the band sounds like shit. i heard one mistake all night and it was billy’s lead part on “hummer.” though mike needs to learn some of the finer points of nuance, i think he is amazing and the fact that he was able to flawlessly pull of the “jimmy songs” like “united states” and “gossamer” should be proof enough. given enough time, i think billy is going to turn mike into an as good if not better drummer than jimmy.

but the crowd was great, which made me very happy and also surprised me. i was at both the c-bus and c-land shows in ’08 and it was clear the audience didn’t “get it.” friday night, though, everything was different. i think probably chris’ point of OSU being in summer session had a lot to do with it. there is a world of difference in c-bus shows–especially those at the newport–depending if OSU is in session or not.

13. astral77 - 3:21 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

I had the pleasure of seeing the mighty SP play on friday night as well. I have to say, I have seen them with the original four and friday night was the best pumpkins show in recent memory. The energy was there, Billy was in a great mood,Mike was playing his ass off and the audience was on fire. It was the best pumpkins show I have ever seen hands down

14. Floppy Nono - 3:54 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

i read this until i got to the part where he says he has a girlfriend and that’s when i knew i was being trolled

15. sandl - 4:34 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

Wow, when I grow up, I want to be just like the ‘Super-Fans’ you all are!

16. chris - 6:10 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

@sandl: Don’t hold your breath, it sounds like you have a long way to go.

Oh, and Floppy, you got me. I made up the part about having a girlfriend (even though anyone who was near me in line could have outed me!) because all I really want is to be cool in the eyes of anonymous netizens. Maybe next time…

17. Floppy Nono - 6:46 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

maybe next time try talking about your boyfriend, it might be more believable!

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19. AmazingHat - 8:10 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

No reason to be disrespectful like that. I’m not sure if you’re looking for attention, but its real easy to say shit like that when you’re sitting behind a laptop.

20. snowtrooper - 9:08 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

its great how this place is slowly turning into netphoria, now all i need is a computer virus.

21. Floppy Nono - 9:33 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

but did u get head?

22. purple pumpkin - 9:59 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

Fucking l-o-s-e-r

23. Floppy Nono - 10:15 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

i don’t get it, are you drawing it out or spelling it to me or what? i ask because the effect is kind of lost here on the internet but i would like you to help me understand completely your profile of me.

24. BackwardsSpirits - 10:31 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

Floppy, I’m gone let you finish, but Adam is the best SP troll of all time! All time!

Seriously, if all you do is bitch and pick fights, nobody is going to listen when you DO have a rare moment of making a valid point.

25. Rasheed - 10:32 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

people, leave floppy alone. he knows what he’s talking about.
i mean, if anyone knows all about giving head, it’s floppy.

26. Floppy Nono - 10:34 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

just callin’ ‘em like i a see ‘em pilgrim. *tips hat*

27. Floppy Nono - 10:34 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

\m/ LOL THAT’S THE SPIRIT RASHEED! \m/

28. Adam - 11:19 pm // Sunday, July 11, 2010

“Seriously, if all you do is bitch and pick fights, nobody is going to listen when you DO have a rare moment of making a valid point.”

That’s because everyone loves to bitch and fight back. You are all as equally viscous as I can be, but you don’t like to admit it.

29. Rasheed - 1:07 am // Monday, July 12, 2010

“Seriously, if all you do is bitch and pick fights, nobody is going to listen when you DO have a rare moment of making a valid point.”

Thats not a good argument BackwardsSpirits. It’s unrealistic to think that either one of them will ever actually make a valid point.

30. Adam - 1:22 am // Monday, July 12, 2010

just cause u dont agree wit it dont mean it aint valid, ya’ll. *spit*

31. Gv - 2:39 am // Monday, July 12, 2010

That’s an interesting and kind of freaky worldview: “Everyone is equally vicious.”

32. Chemtrails - 4:18 am // Monday, July 12, 2010

Not true, you guys all have a slightly different viscosity.

33. bd lee - 8:48 am // Monday, July 12, 2010

Sounds like a great show. Can’t wait to see them.

34. Adam - 9:10 am // Monday, July 12, 2010

it’s not a world view, it’s a hipsters united view. two completely different things.

Unless Hipsters United IS your whole world.

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36. BackwardsSpirits - 9:37 am // Monday, July 12, 2010

“Unless Hipsters United IS your whole world.” I would wager it is to certain people…

Adam actually HAS made some valid points. A little aggressive in making them, but there’s such a polarization around this band. Most people will either kiss Billy’s feet as he kicks them in the teeth, or they’ll crucify and burn effigies of him for not playing “that one song” or for “selling out after SD.” The middle ground is woefully misrepresented by the nutjobs on either side, simply because there are so many vocal wackos and so few normal people who actually care to speak up.

Personally, I’m glad to see some passion from the band again. Yeah, they’re still getting their footing and some songs really DO sound like crap, but it really is a whole new band starting from square one. Only Billy’s going to know all of the material and even he may not. I think we’re seeing a shift though; Billy really does seem to care about finding a compromise between doing only what he wants and trying to please the fans (he’s certainly come a long way from the venomous, alienating tirades in If All Goes Wrong). I am also impressed with the two freshest members tackling things like “Gossamer” and “SuperChrist,” which I consider particularly demanding of the rhythm section.

After a horrible time seeing them when they released Zeitgeist, I will never see these guys live again because I’ve realized I can be a very demanding fan (as most of us can be). Nonetheless, I’m happy for the band being where they are and I think there have been some true moments of brilliance burried in the tangled mess Corgan’s making with new material and old material and unfinished songs. “Owatta”, “Astral Planes”, “Stitch” and most of the Backwards Clock material is very promising. Nobody’s going to like everything (unless maybe they’re crazy), but there is definitely something there for everyone. That’s part of the appeal of the Pumpkins.

37. Chemtrails - 12:19 pm // Monday, July 12, 2010

Great post. Especially the “nutjobs” comment, very well put.

38. BackwardsSpirits - 2:26 pm // Monday, July 12, 2010

@Chem.

I try lol. Seriously though, gotta tip my hat towards the people that just don’t like them live. It’s an entirely different experience and not the kind I would go to a concert for. Having listened to all of the bootlegs I could find on livepumpkins, etc. back in the day, I’ll say that they have never, in my opinon, put on a good concert. They have put on good performances. They have proven that they are phenomenal musicians who all took their craft very seriously. However, the concerts today seem to be exactly the same as they were in the past — Billy will make either very snide comments or very loving ones, some greatly beloved song will be twisted into an improvised mess, an obscure cover will be played, and a few hits will be included; all of the rest will be whatever the current album is or what will be on the next album.

I like seeing most of a new album from a band, played close to exactly how it’s recorded, hearing maybe 40% singles, and then filling in the rest with new material. It’s a view that several other succesful bands tend to fulfill. The Pumpkins have never been about that; I’ve come to accept it. I will always think Billy on recording is more rewarding than Billy in concert. Maybe it’s just the control-freak in me though; maybe I just enjoy being able to create faux setlists of whatever I’m in the mood for lol.

39. FloppyNono - 4:23 pm // Monday, July 12, 2010

Got a bit of a chuckle out of a poster using the name chemtrails responding with an affirmative opinion about nutjobs.

Oh big bill, when will you see that you get what you give
.

40. Chemtrails - 5:03 pm // Monday, July 12, 2010

The “Chemtrails” username is directly and sarcastically derived from recent comments made by BC. Had to look up what they supposedly are. I’d assumed they were just whatever smoke or exhaust comes out of a plane or jet. But whatever, you know, sometimes sarcasm is lost on teh interwebs.

Didn’t Prince also recently rant about chemtrails? Something about them making people in his neighborhood behave violently or something.

41. Chemtrails - 5:04 pm // Monday, July 12, 2010

I guess “Nutjob” would’ve been a good username as well…wonder if it’s been taken.

42. Floppy Nono - 6:43 pm // Monday, July 12, 2010

it wasn’t lost on me, it was just a funny post/username combo.

43. Chemtrails - 9:54 pm // Monday, July 12, 2010

Right on. :)

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45. T3 - 4:29 pm // Wednesday, July 14, 2010

I strongly disagree with the H.U. podcast regarding the 08′ Halloween show. I’ve listened to that show so many times, and thought it was great. I thought it was great that the Pumpkins would observe Halloween and play the 60′s covers they did the first half of the show. I’ll never understand the negativity that show ha I mean really… apparently anyone can put out a podcast. I could barely listen to this all the way through. I can’t believe anyone would have a problem with the Pumpkins playing Set The Controls.I think that after 2 years people need to get over it.

46. chris - 5:35 pm // Wednesday, July 14, 2010

@T3: Listening to the show on headphones is totally different than being there, surrounded by belligerent fans yelling stuff. Were you at the show? And yes, anyone can put out a podcast. That’s kind of how the internet works.

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48. The MF'in Pumpkins Media Militia - 11:18 am // Thursday, July 15, 2010

By the way, JJB, I seem to remember YOU being the one confused about the Halloween Columbus show. Maybe calling me the next day and bawing for 20 minutes on the phone has escaped your memory somehow?


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