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Smashing Pumpkins acknowledge report identifying new bassist 10:51 pm // Saturday, May 8, 2010

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The Smashing Pumpkins, in retweeting a report by the webzine-slash-record label Buddyhead, would seem to have implicitly confirmed that bassist Nicole Fiorentino is joining the band.

Fiorentino is (or recently has been) part of the Los Angeles-based groups Twilight Sleep and Light FM, the latter of which was on the bill with Pumpkins leader Billy Corgan’s Backwards Clock Society at a benefit concert last November. Previously, Fiorentino recorded and toured with Louise Post’s Veruca Salt on that band’s VSIV album, and she later backed Brody Dalle on tour as part of Spinnerette. Before that, she played in L.A. rock outfit Radio Vago.

The Pumpkins had been looking for a new bassist since March, when it was announced that Ginger Pooley had left the group.

UPDATE: Fiorentino has updated her MySpace page to read in part, “Nicole is proud to announce that she is the newest member of The Smashing Pumpkins. She is keeping herself very busy these days in the studio with Billy and the rest of the pumpkins crew. She will also be performing live with band for any future tours/gigs.”

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1. Aaron Burr - 11:14 pm // Saturday, May 8, 2010

That’ll do nicely, says me. A little eye candy never hurt anybody.

2. Dirtofgrandeur - 12:11 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

I have no knowledge of her music (I’ll have to ammend that) but in the absence of Paz Lenchantin…it’s nice to see another brunette by Billy lol.

3. Scott - 12:19 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Congrats to Ms. Fiorentino!! Hopefully all will pan out well with her and she’ll earn her “Pumpkin stripes” valiantly.

4. ok - 12:41 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

not as hot as Ginger, but hotter than D’arcy

5. Adam - 12:48 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

total fucking babe.

what a joke though. following the female bassist trend. it’s all getting a bit predictable. speaking of predictable, who do you think will get fired/leave the band next?

6. DiscoJon - 12:55 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

A girl bassist? WHAT A SHOCKING TURN OF EVENTS THIS IS.

7. Adam - 1:07 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

lol.. she’s from the next town over from where i currently live.

8. gyang333 - 2:08 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

@Adam
not that i would wish this, but jeff’s been in the band longest other than Billy, and Billy can’t fire himself, so my guess is Jeff. It’s sad though, for a band that’s been around for 20+ years (more or less), the second longest current serving band member has been in it for 3 years.

9. Steve - 3:47 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

I gotta say a part of me is sad Mark Tulin won’t be a permanent member… but I trust he had other plans for himself at this point. I’m sure Ms. Fiorentino will be awesome!

10. bd lee - 4:23 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Yes Adam, it’s all so predictable. When Jimmy got fired everyone knew Billy would just hire a 19-year-old McDonald’s employee. And when Ginger had a baby, we all knew he’d get a 62-year-old psych rocker to play bass on the new songs.

Yawn…

11. harvey - 4:28 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

i love that of the first 8 comments, 4 of them are from people that currently hate the band.

12. natascha - 5:40 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

we all have to forget this “band” thing…it´s the smashing pumpkins, isn´t it enough?

13. ziggy - 5:58 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

+1

=)

14. DiscoJon - 6:06 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

I don’t currently hate the band, I hate the current incarnation of the band.

15. Guile from Street Fighter - 7:00 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

holly guacamoleeee!!!!!!!!!!!!! good look and hope to see you play with the band soon in a very much anticipated latinamerican tour. (wich i’ve lost all hope to happend. Billy, you make us very sad)

16. travis wright - 7:05 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

ok on the front row, i’ll be leaning to the left now.. thanks billy ;)

17. Spumkins33 - 7:21 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

I’m in love.

18. troubadour - 8:03 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Did anyone even doubt the new bassist would be a totally smokin babe? I have to give Corgan credit, he always picks the hottest chicks.

D’arcy, Melissa, Paz, Ginger, Nicole

When Jeff eventually leaves or gets fired, which is pretty much inevitable at this point, I wonder if Corgan has the balls to replace him with another ethnic dude.

James, Pajo, Jeff

btw Pajo is Filipino

19. Jean-Pierre - 8:29 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Uh la la!

20. arpeggi - 9:18 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

wow!

21. arpeggi - 9:22 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Wow, this seems a very good news

(btw was/is her in this photo from the studio? http://twitpic.com/1m09d9)

22. melanie - 9:55 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

why is the gender of the musician something people focus on? why is that even an issue?

23. Adam - 10:05 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

bd less.. get the rhetoric straight, i said it’s getting predictable, not that it’s all so predictable.

yawn. another anti adam getting all up in arms.

24. Adam - 10:15 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

she’s got leeeegss….

mon dieu.

25. saison94 - 10:20 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Why is gender of the musician something Billy focuses on, is the better question.

At this point you gotta wonder why he doesn’t just go ahead and make the news announcement read “Smashing Pumpkins looking for hot new female bassist.” Because it’s become clear that a dude will never stand a chance of being a permanent fill-in. Or, eventually, when Jeff leaves, “SP looking for new ethnic second guitarist.”

Just another reason Billy doesn’t really care about actual music anymore.

26. BitterT - 10:41 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Jeff is ethnic? what ethnicity? Well im happy its a hot chick. She just looks like a Pumpkin.

27. BitterT - 10:42 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

and whos to say she isnt a really talented bass player. why does this mean he doesnt care about the music? you cant make that claim, the music is awesome.

28. Adam - 11:05 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

no one said she isn’t a talented bass player.

29. gyang333 - 11:15 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

@BitterT
while his last name doesn’t give it away, I think he has Oriental blood on one side of his family, and I believe he’s studying Asian literature or something for his PhD.

I mean, it’s not as obvious as James Iha, but still.

30. purple pumpkin - 11:30 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Smmmmmmmmokin! Who cares about the music? She’s hot!

31. BitterT - 11:31 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

ah, apparently hes Korean-American, that makes this all kinda funny now. i guess schroeder didnt stand out to me as asian. anyway, i think he needs a female somewhere in the band for the backing vocals. kinda want linda on keys now

32. troubadour - 11:44 am // Sunday, May 9, 2010

@BitterT
Jeff is half korean

@saison94
yeah, I’m all for increased visibility of female musicians (especially hot ones), but the revolving door of female replacement bassists is silly and not to mention patronizing.

But in the end it is Billy’s band and if he wants to be a douche and only hire female bassists and asian guitarists nothing is going to stop him from doing so.

33. rapapapa - 12:08 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

if Mark Tullin would have become a bass player, all of you wouldn’t like it. ‘bring back doesnt matter what girl who plays bass’ you’d say. from the beginning Billy played with female bassists, so I dont see any problem about having chick bass player now. its like a Pumpkin tradition. Offtopic – cant wait to see the list of the next EP songs. it was said that maybe ‘As Rome Burns’ and ‘Freak’ will be together on the same EP (Ep #2). Musically they are very different, but I think they match lyrically. both kinda political songs.

34. saison94 - 12:18 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Actually, Tulin would’ve been fine. Maybe he didn’t want to do it, who knows. But at least then we’d know Billy has half-interested in the music part of all this. Tulin may not be the best technical bassist in the world, but with his history in the Seeds, he at least comes from the school/philosophy of music that Billy aligns himself with these days. It’s like they’ve been holding American Idol auditions for bass at Pumpkinland.

35. Manuglass - 2:17 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Tulin has been in The Seeds?

36. Steve - 2:24 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Tulin was in the Electric Prunes. And… I think he’s a pretty great bassist. He’s good enough that Billy would rather have Tulin than himself as bassist on the new music, so that alone is a pretty good endorsement, given BC’s sweet bass playing as demonstrated on Zeitgeist.

37. gyang333 - 3:37 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

@Steve, yeah but there’s been conflicting stories about the extent to which Mark was contributing on TbK. In some interview given, I believe around the time Stitch was released, or just before, Billy said it’s just him and Mike recording, with some congas from Kerry or something. It seemed to imply that Billy was recording all the guitars and the bass lines as well. Of course, it wouldn’t make sense to fly Mark out there just to be a spectator, but still, with no liner notes or credits on the EP, it’ll be hard to say who contributed what.

38. Ginger Shackleton - 3:54 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

I think it’s quite clear that Mark was playing so far on tbk, at least on Widow Wake My Mind and Astral Planes, the bass parts are not classic Pumpkins by any means, and compared to the Spirits shows they’re almost identical. I reckon Mark would have been a great Pumpkins bass player, but I thought the Electric Prunes are on Billy’s new label? or did i imagine that? so maybe he’s busy….

39. Rock it Out! Blog » Blog Archive » Smashing Pumpkins reveal new bassist - 4:05 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

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40. BitterT - 4:08 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

@ginger, i heard that Billy actually played bass on Astral Planes. i think from conversation at last show
@saison, why do u keep saying that billy is not interested in the music? i think now more than ever he is into it, writing 50+ songs and all. seems to be happy with where hes at musically

41. Bigpumpkins - 4:50 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

As a long time SP fan, I hardly see how, at this point, this can be viewed as bad news. SP is a school and a tribune for girls to rock. Let it be!

42. Aaron Burr - 6:05 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Mark played bass on Astral Planes and Widow Wake My Mind, based on his tweets from the times they were documented to be recording those.

Seems to have been involved in March recording sessions, so he’s more than likely on the 2nd EP too.

43. Bigpumpkins - 6:22 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010
44. Woody - 6:29 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

At least with Tulin ‘in the band’, the Pumpkins median age would have been closer to Corgan’s own.

45. breathesgelatin - 6:37 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

@melanie

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47. Alexander Hamilton - 8:32 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

@Aaron Burr
I challenge you to a duel!

48. Kat - 8:47 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Congrats to Nicole but spare a thought for all the fine and talented bass players who responded to Billy’s call for an open bass/keys audition process, like that held for the drummer. Over a month ago, hundreds of YouTube clips were posted by bass and keys players worldwide, in response to Smashing Pumpkins’ press release and audition call. It now appears that this whole process was a publicity stunt from the beginning, to stir interest in the new SP tracks. Nicole was the chosen one from the start. So for all his tweeting about honesty and God’s truth (see twitter.com/billy), it appears Mr Corgan has mud on his face. He is a liar. All those people – including many passionate SP fans – who honestly and in good faith engaged with the audition process have been led down the garden path. There has been no announcement to any of the auditionees, who in addition to posting a YouTube clip, also sent in formal submissions including CVs, links, photos, references etc. This stinks. Using people, especially those from the ranks of your own industry, as a selfish PR exercise to sell records, is a low blow for any professional, let alone one who carries on about his own purity and belief in the flow of love. There is no love here – only hypocrisy and lies. So, all the best to Nicole, but shame Billy, shame. The world really is a vampire.

49. Aaron Burr - 8:54 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Incredibly dumb post, sorry.

50. Bigpumpkins - 9:01 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Wow Kat, this was really, really, really dumb and lame. Should I laugh? Come on, the internet is a free space but…. you know.

51. redmond - 9:04 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

Dumb Kat.

52. gyang333 - 9:51 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

@Kat, you sound pretty jaded. I’m going to assume you made an attempt at making the cut, which is admirable, but just because you didn’t hear feedback doesn’t mean it was a ploy. They haven’t announced a keyboard member yet, which may bode well for those who want to have their shot at the band. I mean, Mike was chosen out of the 1000s of applications, and in-between that announcement and when hipstersunited dug out that Mike might be the new drummer, no one knew what was going on then either.

53. Tree_Spirit - 10:19 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

@kat..I’m one who questions Billy thoughts and deeds regularly but that was way off base….

This new basses seems to be a great add to the SP’s fold..nothing to do with her being hot…sorry i don’t float that way.lol..She hold’s herself with the rest, i see nothing wrong with Billy’s choice of her…

54. Tree_Spirit - 10:26 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

I’m going to really miss ginger tho<3..She had really kind personality about her.She first game aboard, she really took a lashing from pumpkins fans…via Sp.com and her myspace..

55. Exclaimed - 10:39 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

@Kat
Chill the fuck out. I tried out too. At least you tried, right? Even if it was a rigged contest, someone most likely looked at your video.

56. BitterT - 11:51 pm // Sunday, May 9, 2010

I always thought Gingers vocals were a bit tooo girly

57. saison94 - 1:10 am // Monday, May 10, 2010

Actually, Kat is pretty much right on the money, regardless of how she said it. Whether or not it was this specific girl who was pre-determined to fill the position, it should be pretty clear to everyone here that at least some thin, fashionable, attractive female was going to get the spot, and that’s why it’s obvious to me that the image/idea of this band has long since overshadowed or taken precedence over the actual music. I thought that was OK when it was still the original line-up, back in the Machina days, because then it at least seemed to be a natural, organic evolution of where the band was at. Now, it just seems incredibly contrived and patronizing, to the new bassist and to the fans. Or at least the fans who still like music.

58. ihafreak - 1:40 am // Monday, May 10, 2010

I agree with Kat

SP has become nothing more than a gimmick.

59. Aaron Burr - 1:55 am // Monday, May 10, 2010

I’m baffled that anyone is bellyaching over the hiring of a touring musician. The audition process was not a youtube “contest” or anything. Corgan obviously found someone with the competencies and personal qualities he was looking for, so why the hell not?

And Mr. Hamilton: I accept. Pistols at high noon.

60. TheMicrodance - 1:57 am // Monday, May 10, 2010

Anyone consider that he likes to have female vox in the band? Quite conceivable. Plus, I’m glad he’s getting a bit of young blood back in the band; Songs For a Sailor was way too hippified for my liking.

61. Hafsteinn - 7:05 am // Monday, May 10, 2010

microdance: uhm, people today also listen to 60´s music?
Its still a huge influence on a lot of current music. one of the bigger bands today mgmt , just released a record is drenced in the 60´s psych vibe and you can hardly call those guys old. Smashing pumpkins seems to be a cyclical animal, getting back to the psych roots. deal with it.

I agree with what someone said, maybe he likes having a female presence in the band for either backing vocals or just internal working of the touring band. I think some of you spend to much time making up crazy conspiracies. The audition thing being the latest

62. Derby - 9:17 am // Monday, May 10, 2010

There is a lot of hurt feelings going about related to the bass audition submissions and because one of my relatives (a bass man extraordinaire)threw a few vidz into the arena I think I understand the emotions involved in that I can detach objectively to a more clear perspective: It was the timings and lack of some sort of email notice or much earlier due press release.

The major element that seems to be ticking the people that auditioned is the timing upon which Nicole actually arrived on the scene and clinched the gig. It is the fact that she is an insider that has known Billy and Courtney since Nicole’s Veruca Salt days opening for Hole years ago and has been recording and working out in the studio essentially as a full Pumpkin for over a month, but no earlier email notice or earlier press release was given.

What that does is create the foundational appearance that the Open audition concept was never real, and basically in reality the open audition process has been, for all intents and purposes, null and void for over a month, having already been awarded to an insider. I try to look at everyones’ perspective and I can relate as to how someone would be ticked at not being told a lot sooner by email that the auditions were over going back close the the March deadline. I think it would make me feel pretty cheap and used that after practicing, getting vidz together and submitting, that I wasn’t worth the time and effort sending a copied and pasted form email that it was over before it really started: I think that was the most insulting and hurtful point to the auditioners.

I am just trying to dissect it fairly and not be judgmental, but in that I can’t possibly know what Billy thinks or what his intentions or motives were, I would like to assume that he was well intended and that he might have been avoiding hurting anyone’s feelings. I can’t speak for him. I think the best advice to any of the bass auditioners would be not to let it get them down and to turn the energy they are investing in disappointment into positive energy to keep believing in themselves and try and play even harder towards positive goals in their music careers.

63. mikano - 9:21 am // Monday, May 10, 2010

Excellent post by Kat and you all know it. I’m not sure if it’s 100% accurate, but what she’s said makes perfect sense and just smokes out those who fear free thought. BC’s been bouncing around like a rubberball ever since Iha “left,” which to me isn’t breaking a band up. Not to mention firing Jimmy C., which was the final point where SP truly failed and became laughable. Whichever way you slice it now, it’s only Billy and band ‘loyalty’ that keeps any fans. Most of whom, seem to be under 25 y/o. Smashing Kiddies, more like, you can’t shine like Phosphor forever, nothing in Art works this way… Good to see some brutal honesty, Kat, it hurts the masses when these things are pointed out. Ouch… And life goes on.

64. chaja - 9:44 am // Monday, May 10, 2010

BitterT, be glad that its was not too manly.

65. Bigpumpkins - 9:54 am // Monday, May 10, 2010

Some people are so whiny. This is nothing but great. The live band is shaping up and a pretty girl is on bass, just as it’s always been. Accuse me of always being satisfied with SP/Billy if you want but this time I really don’t see this can be viewed as bad news.

For the people who submitted, get over it. How many chances did you have of getting the position anyway. Come on. One rookie on drums is enough.

Have a good week SP fans. I hope we have a new song very soon.

66. daisy - 10:06 am // Monday, May 10, 2010

I’m not a musician, didn’t send in a video submission and didn’t have a horse in the race. Ditto what derby and mikano said. I’m not surprised there are hurt feelings over this “contest”. It was handled unprofessionally and inconsiderately. Billy’s social skills have always left a lot to be desired, but lately he seems strangely intent on making as many enemies as possible.

I’m sure Nicole is a more than capable bassist. She sure looks good. Maybe she’ll even help him reach his intended market. My first impression is that I like her. On paper, Billy’s choice seems a good and wisely strategic one. But this isn’t a band. It’s Billy and his hired help and we all know it. Does anyone believe she’ll have any real input into SP’s music or creative direction?? She’ll learn the songs, nod encouragingly when Billy plays her the new music and look good on stage. What she won’t do is question or she’ll be thrown to the curb along with Jimmy.

Ironically, SP has become just that sort of manufactured band Billy once argued with Darcy against outside the Avalon, another lifetime ago.

67. daisy - 10:09 am // Monday, May 10, 2010

“For the people who submitted, get over it. How many chances did you have of getting the position anyway. Come on. One rookie on drums is enough.”

I agree. And that’s the point right there. They did not have a chance. So why did Billy tell them they did?

68. Bigpumpkins - 10:15 am // Monday, May 10, 2010

They probably had a slight chance. How do you suppose Nicole didn’t get the position by submitting like everyone else?
Anyway, I really don’t give a damn. I’m just very happy about it.

69. Spumkins33 - 10:16 am // Monday, May 10, 2010

I submitted, and I am ECSTATIC at this new bassist. She seems like a tight player, and will make SP shows even more enjoyable.

Not that looks are everything (or should be remotely important in a band) but I trust in Billy 110% when it comes to HIS BAND.

I’m curious if she plays in anything but boots. Not that big of a deal, but she does have great stems. Will she play a Rickenbacker, too? Billy may issue her the ol’ Fender Precision – but I already like her style.

I will miss Ginger, though. Her really high vocal parts lent really well to new and old songs.

70. Derby - 12:11 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

I usually don’t like to be argumentative, and I like to respect others’ space, but I have to take issue with Mike Byrne being classified as a “rookie”. The young man was accepted to Berklee and to those of you whom have a good overall understanding of what that means: That means he has been tested by a very high benchmark and is the best of the best. My relative that I mentioned in an earlier post, although not having attended Berklee, is also one of the “best of the best” having been formally trained, and no “rookie” by any standard and I was wanting to really see the combination of those two in a rhythm section. I make no claim to be able to read Billy’s mind or speak on his behalf, but I know for a fact that seeing those two grinding it out would have put a smile on Billy’s face that would have taken a week to wear off.

71. Dystopic - 12:35 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

Even a Heisman winning football player is still a “rookie” when he hits the NFL. Your pedigree alone doesn’t cut it when you hit the big leagues.

72. Adam - 12:40 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

@Derby: anyone can get into Berklee. seriously. It’s not a high level music school.. you show that you are willing to pay up to 100k for four years of education, they accept you. it’s a financial joke. I know aobut 60 guys who got into that school that can barely play. It’s not julliard, manhattan school of music, new england conservatory, etc. it gets a lot of press, but where there’s money there’s press. for every john mayer that graduated there (and he didn’t even graduate), there’s about 1,000 guitar players with bachelor’s working the check out at wal mart. A talented musician would be much better off auditioning for a state university’s high level program (and they exist), and walking out with a degree in drums or whatever with about 50 – 70 grand less in debt.

in short, ANYONE with an instrument and a will to pay a ridiculous amount of money for location and facilities can get into berklee.

73. Tree_Spirit - 1:12 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

Even tho we might not like Billy’s choices in WHOEVER or HOWEVER he makes HIS choice.We can complain about almost everything from his character ,his music,his lyrics, his choices so and on and on unto it comes pointless anyway.

I can i feel with some that went out of their way to make a audition submissions and they felt that it was never really real or had a chance.I’m not a musician myself just hear for love of the music.He did same thing with his website EVERYTHINGFROMHERETOTHERE.

He picked people he knew .So this is not shocking that he done this with a bass player.Some people did get put off because he done that and it pointless for fans to summit a writing for his website.In the end everyone is not going to be happy.He does WHATEVER he wants despite if burns bridges.Not that i think that’s the way to be about anything.But what can you or I truly do about it? Can’t WR just be happy for the person he did pick and hope she works well.I just love have some music….lol

74. Bigpumpkins - 1:27 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

Anyway, when I called Mike a “rookie”, by no means I wanted to say he’s not a great drummer. I really love his style and I’m excited.

I’m just happy that the 3 people playing strings have a greater live and studio experience­. One young gun who never toured the world is enough. I, by far, prefer Nicole to another talented but unexperimented fan.

75. wemustneverbeapart - 1:30 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

let’s face it, whoever would Billy choose as a new bass player, you wouldn’t like it.

76. Acknowledge - 1:42 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

@Derby:

Nicole joined Veruca Salt in 2006. I dont see how this is an insider thing at all. I just think it’s amazing that there’s a random connection there. But ya, all this ‘insider’ talk (especially @daisy’s post…wtf) is all assumption so far.

77. Spumkins33 - 2:00 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

Well now that Nicole’s out of Veruca Salt – maybe Nina Gordon will come back? 90’s alt rock reunions abound!!

Seriously though, VS didn’t really get much time in the sun as they deserved. Post/Gordon made a cool team. I’d love to see a proper Hole reunion/record, too.

Nick may be coming back to QOTSA – so I’m shooting for the moon on MVP bands coming back.

78. TommyPlural - 2:41 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

Awesome! I saw Nicole play with Veruca Salt in Detroit in 2006, and thought she had great stage presence, was a killer bassist, and a great singer. She nailed Nina’s harmonies on the old songs. Cool… I love it when members of bands I like join forces.

79. daisy - 2:45 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

Acknowledge – wtf are you confused? I never claimed Nicole was an “insider”. I think that would be far too strong an accusation at this point.

However, it is true that Nicole played at the same benefit show as Billy did last year. So, having already seen her play live, I doubt Billy asked her to make a formal video submission, as Bigpumpkins imagined. What would be the point? They have mutual friends – just call her down to the studio and ask her play.

Again, I think Nicole is a very good choice. I just agree with kat, derby and few others that the open auditions were at best handled very poorly and at worst might have been a PR scam.

80. harvey - 3:02 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

open auditions brought in the current drummer. was that a PR scam? no. there is no reason to assume that people who submited bass auditions were not viewed or considered. maybe they simply were not good enough. maybe billy wanted to explore ALL his options before deciding on someone.

81. Derby - 4:04 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

To make it simple harvey, what if you had to submit a job application and a resume and overall portfolio of your skills by March 31,2010 and you were told that all applicants would be reviewed fairly after the deadline of March 31,2010. You get your job application in by March 29,2010 and you have respected every last detail your prospective employer asked for and it took considerable time to do so. You’ve worked hard in your field and you are good at what you do.

But you receive an email from one of the other prospective applicants a month and eleven days later that the job had been filled without announcement on March 17,2010, fourteen days before you got your application in and 14 days before the deadline.

If that prospective employer had just sent out a simple form email back in March of 2010 that the job had been filled by other avenues it would have just been simple human courtesy.

And then later somebody posts about the job “there is no reason to assume that people who submited bass auditions were not viewed or considered. maybe they simply were not good enough.” How did the bass auditions get fairly viewed if Nicole was already in the loop back in March before there was even time to fairly review them?

That’s the point. It is impossible timewise\calender that anyone got a fair viewing. If he wanted to hire a pal of his, why not? But a simple notice is simple professional courtesy. I’ve been a musician perhaps longer than you’ve been alive, and even the shoddiest outfits I used to take when I was a kid, would use simple good manners and courtesy when dealing with them.

82. [ed. harvey commenting as "chuck"] - 6:42 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

i thought they just announced it a few days ago (may 8th)? what was said on march 17th?

83. skullivan - 6:54 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

@Derby Where are you getting this information that Nicole was hired in mid-March? They only started recording the third EP on April 29th yet you claim she was in the studio with them for the past month. If she had been with the band since mid-March don’t you think she would have performed with them on 4/17 or at the very least on the Tonight Show?

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about the whole process. I’m also not sure how having a friend with a stake in it puts you in a unique position of objectivity…

@saison “it’s obvious to me that the image/idea of this band has long since overshadowed or taken precedence over the actual music.”

It’s obvious to me that the image/idea of the band is of paramount concern only to those who don’t like the new music. Did you see the Tonight Show performance? If Billy really is concerned with the “image” of the band he’s got a funny way of showing it. Personally, I think the music *is* the main focus and those who don’t like the new material will look for any excuse possible to explain why the music sucks rather than admit to the fact that they just don’t like the band anymore. You talk about the “fans who still like music” but you’re obsessing about things that have nothing to do with the music. I wish Pearl Jam still made albums that I liked as much as Vs. and Vitalogy or that Stone Temple Pilots would make an album I could like as much as Purple but I don’t spend hours every week on fan blogs insisting that they should stop making music. That’s douchebaggery, there’s no other way to put it.

I’ve become more and more convinced over the last couple years that the consistent dislike some fans have for new SP material has less to do with the music itself and more with them not even allowing themselves to like it to begin with because of external factors that have no bearing on the songs. I just don’t understand why these people keep torturing themselves instead of just listening to music they DO like.

@Kat The auditions were announced almost 3 months before the EP was scheduled to come out and there has been no information on them since. If it was a ploy to sell records it was an exceedingly poor one. Besides, I don’t think the target market for a $30 limited edition EP is the kind of fan who would only become aware of its existence because the band is holding bassist auditions.

84. AmazingHat - 7:10 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

“I wish Pearl Jam still made albums that I liked as much as Vs. and Vitalogy or that Stone Temple Pilots would make an album I could like as much as Purple but I don’t spend hours every week on fan blogs insisting that they should stop making music. That’s douchebaggery, there’s no other way to put it.”

Bingo

85. skullivan - 7:16 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

@daisy “But this isn’t a band. It’s Billy and his hired help and we all know it. Does anyone believe she’ll have any real input into SP’s music or creative direction??”

You seem to have the same direct line into what goes on in the studio as derby does. Did that studio subscription thing start and I missed it??

The real questions are: Does it matter whether she has any input into the band’s creative direction? Why would you want her to? Isn’t that what Zwan was? The fact that she is even in the studio suggests that she will however, otherwise Billy would just play the parts himself as he has ALWAYS done.

86. Bigpumpkins - 7:47 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

Thank you for having the energy to argue it that way Skullivan. I so agree with all you said. The amount of douchebaggery around here is frightening.

But when I read posts like yours I know it’s worth sticking around.

87. harvey - 7:53 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

it’s sad we have to CONSTANTLY defend the the band on a blog thats suppose to be for fans

88. Tree_Spirit - 8:49 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

@Skullivan Bravo very well put…

I just love the music, i enjoy it.It’s why i’m here.Not the rest of the bull really.I’ve had my times of saying things myself.But I still love the music and it still holds magic for me.I don’t get why people that don’t enjoy it or like stay around just to complain.If I didn’t like the music,i would just moved on…

89. [ed. Derby commenting as "Jimbo"] - 9:42 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

LOL! I love the SP music, and it sounds more like you just want the people that disagree with you to go away and you just make it up in your head that every time someone disagrees with some aspect of SP that they don’t like the music. It’s called freedom of thought. Maybe some of us know that Billy is capable of transcending beyond the gimmick stage of having to have a female bass player, and yadda yadda boom blah, I am well aware that she is a knock out has fantastic legs can sing and play bass that is up to traditional SP female standards, but it is just that: Standard.

Haven’t you ever wondered what would happen if Billy said, “The hell with having to deliver a Pumpkins that the traditional fans will swallow! I have enough money to stay afloat, so the hell with pandering to fans that refuse to evolve their tastes and musical sensibilities!I want to call up Victor Wooten or Stanley Clarke and take A-Rock to a height its never acheived before by fusing different genres together!”
I know exactly what would happen. You SP “purists” would whine and moan that Billy has betrayed the roots of A-Rock and the same ones that allege heresy and want everyone yhat disagees with you to go away now, You would be the first to jump ship. But guess what. Those of us that believe that Billy should do something with his money, time and connections besides wasting it on an old style gimmick SP just to please you retros with a chubby for a girl bass player, we ain’t going no where. What about it Billy? Dump the old SP gimmick and get the hunger like you had in the old days, but strive for some new musical levels.

90. pinkmnm - 11:01 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

Awesome! Pumpkins have a new bassist! And its a girl bassist. Yay :)

91. gyang333 - 11:59 pm // Monday, May 10, 2010

@Derby, it may be that you are using that March 17th day to illustrate your point with the resume, but your analogy is severely flawed if that is the case. Unless someone actually got an email from Nichole saying she got the job on March 17, then I don’t see how they are the same thing. Because as far as I know, she only came out of the woodwork what, like 2 days ago?

92. TophertheRed - 2:32 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Awesome. I really like her.

As for what Derby was saying, he was just trying to make the point that this kinda thing does happen in the real world. You are interested in a job, so you apply. Turns out that it has already been filled prior to your submission. Thus, you just wasted your time. He was not implying she was hired on March 17th. Which would have been strange considering that was Billy’s birthday (uh-oh… Birthday Sex :) Just Joking). He was just using that date along with the other two dates to prove his point.

93. [ed. harvey commenting as "chuck"] - 2:59 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

So what? derbys point is stupid. He/she is making a bunch of assumptions based on nothing. There’s no reason to assume nicole was already chosen before the deadline for open auditions. It’s possible, yes. But why jump to conclusions?

94. [ed. harvey commenting as "Jerry"] - 3:03 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Because jumping to conclusions is the best way to be a hater!

95. stephen - 4:14 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

I don’t understand all this ‘hired help’ problems with different band members. Think of adore, its basically a Billy solo album but i bet most of you would associate this with the ‘smashing pumpkins’ as opposed to what the band currently is. This is the smashing pumpkins no matter what you say, i’m excited by the new music and thats all i care about, THE MUSIC. I say good luck to nicole, and well done mike.

96. [ed. Derby commenting as "Jimbo"] - 7:54 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Clearly, the guy derby was just making an illustrated point like TophertheRed pointed out and that’s the way I took it, and it wasn’t a stupid flawed point at all. I can understand that one. But truth is it is only the formal public announcement of Nicole that was out a few days ago.
I have been keeping up with the bass auditions on YouTube out of curiosity and sort of making it an exercise to try and spot the better players by typing in ‘smashing pumpkins bass auditions’ and ‘smashing pumpkins keyboard auditions’ as the YouTube searches. What happened is that some of the bassplayers caught on somehow that Nicole had been recording and working in the studio with Billy for awhile.
I couldn’t catch all of it but I gathered from some of the posts spreading the message from bassplayer to bassplayer that is what they got pissed about is that Nicole was on the scene with Billy working far enough back that they felt that it made the whole audition unfair. In that I have been scoping the bassplayers I know what derby means in a general way but I suspect that there is something going on below the surface we can’t see in the private messages between the bassplayers that we don’t have access to.

But putting that stuff aside, there are some pretty good bass players in the auditions and some of those guys and gals aren’t going to have any trouble finding good gigs if they just keep on keeping on. There are good women players and men players both that are good enough to hold their own in many Pro bands. I was disappointed that SP didn’t pick one of those because I really wanted to know if one of the ones I picked as best would land the gig.
I couldn’t do the same mental exercise with the keyboardists because what is really weird is that almost no keyboard players auditioned on YouTube. I wonder if it is because the keyboards haven’t been the strongest element over the guitars in SP in the past and simply not that many keyboardists are SP fans because their favorite instrument is not showcased in SP as they would prefer? For whatever reason it was keyboards were almost a no show.

97. reggaeluv2000 - 9:04 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

I don’t think anyone should complain until we here what the sound will be like :P
Which I will assume should be no complaints!
Bring on the songs Billy!

98. [ed. harvey commenting as "duke"] - 9:06 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

@jimbo. Yeah i think we all understand the point Derby’s making. But there is absolutely no PROOF to his point in this situation.

the drummer auditions were open too. Corgan saw many professional drummers from high profile bands yet decided on mike. the drummer auditions were not a scam so theres no good reason to think the bass auditions were a scam.

99. rapapapa - 9:10 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

this guy seems to be a great keyboardist.

100. themadcaplaughs - 10:00 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

I mean to Pumpkins purists this is not exactly new. Iha and Corgan admitted back in the day that after holding auditions for a keyboardist to tour Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, they found Melvoin shortly thereafter and did not even listen to the submissions.

101. Bigpumpkins - 10:08 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

To quote my friend Pinkmnm:

Awesome! Pumpkins have a new bassist! And its a girl bassist. Yay :)

That’s all there is to say. The rest just proves how any news here will be criticized. Just about anything. It’s totally lame. I do think the skies are blue for SP right now.

102. Bigpumpkins - 10:20 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Cool picture of Billy and Nicole on http://www.smashingpumpkins.com by the way.

103. skullivan - 10:25 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

@Jimbo What are you arguing exactly? Do you like the new stuff or not? You say you like it but then say he doesn’t have “the hunger” and should strive “for new musical levels”. What does hiring a female bass player have to do with that? If he had hired a guy then you’d be assured the music would be better? You decry “SP purists” (whatever that means) but you sure as hell sound like you are one. I don’t think you could make the case that there’s anything standard about the new album so far in any way, shape or form.

I’m all for freedom of thought (I was pretty outspoken against the $30 price tag on the EP; some agreed, some disagreed, we moved on. If the next EP turns out to be $30 too I’ll be surprised, but I’m not gonna bring it up all over again.) but there are the same names posting negative stuff *constantly* in the comments for no other reason then to piss people off. I’m not talking about “some aspect of SP”, I’m talking about people repeatedly and unequivocally saying that their new music sucks every single time something is released. You’re doing it right now by saying that he can’t possibly make good music because hiring a female bassist is a gimmick and implying that if someone is OK with it it’s just because they’d like to bang her. I’m reasonably sure I’m not making that up in my head.

“Haven’t you ever wondered what would happen if Billy said, “The hell with having to deliver a Pumpkins that the traditional fans will swallow!”

Why would I have to wonder about that? He’s been doing that since Adore and he’s lost more and more “traditional” fans with every album! That’s exactly what I love about SP: they don’t just remake the same album every time. You seem to be simultaneously arguing for and against that. If someone hasn’t liked 99% of what Billy has done since 2000 or even before, then don’t you think it’s high time that person moved on?

104. [ed. Derby commenting as "Jimbo"] - 10:34 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

I saw Ferro and I think he could fit the bill. His singing is a plus. My point was that keyboards didn’t show up in the 100+ like the bass. As far as those other comments about no PROOF. It isn’t my job. place or concern to prove anything.
I’ve heard Nicole with Veruca Salt and I know she’s good enough to fit the SP tradition of female bass players but there are players in the bass auditions just as good or better. Better female bassist singer than Nicole with Pro experience with YouTube audition=Nicki Tedesco.
But the way some of you commentors jump at everything you don’t like or agree with, with some of the stupid shallow responses and remarks can only point to two things.
1. Either you are too damned SP fanatic and need to get off the damned computer and go down to the park and feed the pidgeons and get some fresh air and stay off the damned computer for a week or more. If you are so wrapped up in this SP fan stuff that you can’t think with having your head up Billy’s ass maybe you need to stay off permanent for a while:or
2. The moderator is coming in under different names and nay say everything and everybody that doesn’t come off like a brainwashed SP zombie. If that is the case, that free speech and thought are not welcome here then that it a sad affair.
I am not brainwashed and only had a curiosity interest in the auditions I don’t have to prove anything. Obviously many of the bass players have enough PROOF there Mr. PROOF to be self convinced that the open auditions were never real and it doesn’t matter if I am convinced or not.
Good job Ferro. Good luck on finding a gig. One thing is certain that the keyboard audition is streamlined enough that maybe there won’t be the controversy with the bass thing. (UhOh! I said the word ‘controversy’. I’d better get my ass on to work before the SP brainwashed zombie patrol comes after me for it.)

105. Bigpumpkins - 10:43 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Ferro is cool.
Jimbo is lame.

106. Bigpumpkins - 10:49 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

I’m sorry but your 2 points are incredibly insulting. We are on a blog dedicated to SP. Can we be excited about the freaking band?

107. chris - 10:55 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

@Jimbo: We have a moderator? That’s news to me.

108. saison94 - 10:55 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

@skullivan

“You talk about the “fans who still like music” but you’re obsessing about things that have nothing to do with the music.”

Obsessing? Who’s obsessing here? I write two short paragraphs to express my thoughts on the matter in a thread that IS ABOUT THE NEW FEMALE BASSIST, and somehow I’m the one obsessing, while you write whiny 500 word essays bemoaning the fact that there are those who who still consider themselves fans yet have the capacity to be critical and honest about something they feel strongly about. And given the circumstances, I feel it’s totally within bounds as a fan to criticize Billy’s choice in this way.

It seems like you’re the one who’s obsessing here, obsessing over the presence of thoughts that are different from your own.

“Personally, I think the music *is* the main focus and those who don’t like the new material will look for any excuse possible to explain why the music sucks rather than admit to the fact that they just don’t like the band anymore.”

Actually, it’s because of moves like hiring a fifth thin, fashionable, attractive female on bass that solidifies and gives example as to why the new songs bomb, in my opinion. I don’t have to search for “any excuse possible” as to why the new material is sub-par when many of those reasons are presented so clearly. I think it’s a pretty fair and safe assumption that when Billy starts hiring nothing more than powerless yes men who fit a pre-conceived image, who will most likely never have any real input on the music, it’s going to have quite a significant effect on the musical results. This isn’t a chicken/egg argument. It’s cause/effect.

“I wish Pearl Jam still made albums that I liked as much as Vs. and Vitalogy or that Stone Temple Pilots would make an album I could like as much as Purple but I don’t spend hours every week on fan blogs insisting that they should stop making music.”

Nice putting words in my mouth, hot shot. I ever said that Billy should stop making music. And second, I, too, wish Pearl Jam would once again make an album as good as Vitalogy, but then again Pearl Jam was never a life changing band for me, so obviously what they are doing currently is not of significance to me.

I think I speak for many when I say that I still care about this “band” and visit these sites regularly simply because of the impact the band has had on my life. So naturally I would want to keep up with what’s going on and what’s current rather than act like I never cared, simply because I’m not into the current material.

“I’ve become more and more convinced over the last couple years that the consistent dislike some fans have for new SP material has less to do with the music itself and more with them not even allowing themselves to like it to begin with because of external factors that have no bearing on the songs.”

I have become increasingly convinced over the past few years that those who cannot accept a critical fraction of fans have a pretty narrow idea of what fan culture is like. Think about your favorite sports team. You’ve been a fan for your entire life, and you always will be. But for the past few years things have been going downhill. They’ve hired this new coach who has really taken things in a direction you, as a fan of that team, are not happy with. Others believe it isn’t the coaches fault, however, and that they should give him more time to prove himself. Etc etc etc

Granted, this analogy isn’t perfect because we’re talking about the difference between objective physical results and the subjective perception of art. But the point is, just because your favorite team is going downhill, either objectively or subjectively, since when does that mean you completely abandon all interest and move on? Especially when you grew up with that team? What you’re saying isn’t that much different than telling that lifelong Cleveland Browns fan who’s sick of sitting in 5 degree weather just to see his team lose time and again that he should quit “torturing” himself and move on. Give me a fucking break. What you’re basically endorsing is a fanbase that has no capacity to think for itself beyond simply accepting every move Billy makes without question, and in implying that those who are not into the new material should move on or whatever, you sound like you’re reading Billy’s playbook verbatim (i.e. he doesn’t want “unhealthy” fans around). Being a fan shouldn’t be a zero-sum game.

Oh, and trust me, I really wanted to like the new material. No one pulls for this “band” more than I do, but I have to be honest with myself and others when given the opportunity to voice that opinion. SP fans as a group will never be trogladytes who never criticize band decisions. If you want that maybe you should go immerse yourself in ICP fan culture.

“has less to do with the music itself and more with them not even allowing themselves to like it to begin with”

In a general sense, what you say here may be true to some extent, but speaking for myself, I more than “allowed” myself the opportunity to like it. I most certainly didn’t care as much as most fans about the announcement of Mike Byrne, about Jimmy leaving, etc. I thought/hoped it meant that Billy was moving and evolving into new territory. But it’s inanely predictable moves like this latest one that gives less hope to those of us who wish to see Billy return to great songwriting, because more than ever it exposes the hypocracy of Billy’s espoused devotion to only the music.

109. Acknowledge - 11:03 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Ya, Ferro was awesome.
@Jimbo: the thing is, there’s ‘controversy’ every time multiple people dont get the 1 spot they were vying for. Even when it came to the PMM writers 2 years ago, or the video competition – people were crying foul left, right, and center. As far as the videos were concerned, the best one did stand out. As far as the writers go, for the most part, they turned out some great articles.

Do I consider myself brainwashed? Nope. I agree with what @skullivan was saying in terms of it being the SAME voices saying the SAME negative crap over and over – and many of them do it cross-platform. There’s a post on the o-board right now about excitement levels. If you read the posts, it would seem as though no one gives a shit about TBK anymore. Yet, somehow, the poll results indicate that 18% are not excited, 16% havent had a change of excitement, the other 66% is more or very excited. It suggests to me that the people who are excited about the new music arent vocal about it, and that sucks. And if you somehow are excited about it, you’re labelled ‘brainwashed’ or whatever. I do have to acknowledge that, on the other side, anyone who disagrees with anything is often labelled a hater quasi-instantly.

At the end of the day, people were saying that there was NO way TBK would ever sell it’s 10,000 copies, and, well, SP.com at very least appears to be out of stock. That says something to me, again, about the negative vocal majority.

110. Tree_Spirit - 11:30 am // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

@bigpumpkins .lol..It forbidden for god sake if you get existed about the music really or SP.

I’m looking forward to some NEW MUSICCCCCCCCC.Forget all the other bully in it,life goes on.This new member going to work very well.I’m all for point of views and all.But in the long run I WANT NEW MUSICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC! And ya excited about it.. get some.

All haven’t even heard anything yet and all this jumping to conclusions and making preconceptions up about this or that.Nice to have a view all ….

I love this man Billy Corgan Love his music.Love that he is evolving himself, changing himself to not just fit in with, clique, labels or preconceptions of what we think, he should do or where, we think he should go with concept of SP.I might not always agree with him in all things.I do know this great things is to come from billy..I look forward to it with excitement…not all this bull.

Long live the Mighty SP!<3

111. MonteLDS - 12:03 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

man you guys sure know how to BLAH BLAH BLAH.

@Acknowledge who said that SP couldn’t sell 10k copies? Because their are plenty of SP fans out there that will.

112. Acknowledge - 12:10 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

@Monte: I agree with you that it wont be a problem to sell 10k copies. Im just pointing out that plenty of people were hailing TBK as a fail and that it wouldnt sell 10k copies. SP.com now says they are out of stock, so Im glad to see it be doing well. Lovers unite? ;)

113. rapapapa - 12:22 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

fail? its only the first ep, man.

114. MonteLDS - 12:55 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

What is success? Is it when people you hardly know are talking about a song they really like. Is it when people are saying did you see that music video (wait does anyone see music videos anymore?).

Maybe I need to know what success is before I can say TGBK will fail. Because if it is what it says above. Only time will tell.

115. [ed. saison94 commenting as "Isle of Man"] - 1:05 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

“Do I consider myself brainwashed? Nope. I agree with what @skullivan was saying in terms of it being the SAME voices saying the SAME negative crap over and over – and many of them do it cross-platform… And if you somehow are excited about it, you’re labelled ‘brainwashed’ or whatever.”

What’s your point? One could just as easily make the case that it’s the SAME voices defending the SAME shit in every post where someone says something less than flattering about the new material. And I could just as easily say those people should just “move on” and accept that there will always be fans who are more critical and who have a different perception. But that would be stupid, just as stupid as telling someone who is still interested in Billy as an artist to “move on” because they say less than flattering things about many of his current decisions.

The way I see it, everyone is entitled to define themselves as a fan however they see fit. You guys who get so bent out of shape about seeing different opinions need to get a fucking grip and just deal with it. Or at the very least drop the patronizing “move on” bullshit and simply engage the points put forward. I mean, it’s not as if all the “unhealthy” fans are making juvenile arguments – taking Billy’s decision to task on this matter, and how it was handled, is a legitimate debate.

116. BitterT - 1:10 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

That Ferro audition was great. The video was put together very professionally and his playing was great, especially on SFAS and the Muse song. Wouldnt mind seeing him as a new memeber. As for the bassist, maybe she auditioned in person and blew away the youtube vids, i certainly didnt see anyone on youtube who i thought would fit in as a Pumpkin. Sure there were skilled players but do they have any experience, stage presence, singing ability? Not really. Nicole seems like a good fit. And TbK so far is great, i have a feeling that the next EP will be superb. Lets just wait and see.

117. skullivan - 1:21 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

@saison The fact that *you* don’t like something doesn’t mean it’s crap, that’s what it comes down to. It’s fine that you don’t like the music, that’s not the point, but can’t you see how it’s insulting to those who do like it to talk about “those of us who wish to see Billy return to great songwriting” and “fans who still like music” as if you must just be a blind follower to actually like his new songs? That’s complete horseshit. What kind of reaction do you expect to get from such nonsense? No one is telling you that you should like it, but your view is that since you don’t like it, no one else should either.

You’re absolutely right though, I have no comprehension of fan culture because it is completely irrational. I can’t stand professional sports for the exact reasons you give. Fans talk about what “their” team did before they were even born, when the team was comprised of players that haven’t played in thirty years and they’ve never seen play. A player they hate on one team becomes a favorite player when he comes to their team. There’s nothing I hate worse than two sports fans arguing over whose team is better, talk about inane. What we’ve got going on in here are fans of the same team arguing whether they suck or not.

Music isn’t about winning and losing. I’m a fan of “The Smashing Pumpkins” but to me that means I’m a fan of Billy Corgan. If “The Smashing Pumpkins” continued on without him I wouldn’t automatically be a fan of whatever entity it was that continued on. If you’re a fan of a sports team it necessarily means that you are a fan of that *sport*. You follow the team because you love the game, if you didn’t love the game anymore you’d stop following the team. Same thing with the Pumpkins. You follow them because you love their music, not because you like them as individual people or you like their name or logo. If you stop liking the music, and I’m not talking a song here or an album there, I mean you dislike everything they do for an extended period of time, then you’ve stopped liking the game. If you’re not getting enjoyment out of it, what’s the point? I’m asking myself that question right now about this site (and no offense intended towards the HU crew, I know the comments are out of your hands short of giving an option to turn the viewing of comments off).

You’re saying that fans should stick by their team no matter what, for absolutely no reason other than the fact that they’re fans and have always been fans and you’re telling me *I’m* endorsing a fan base with no ability to think?

118. energy - 1:44 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Where are you from, Adam? I’m in Northampton. Not far from where she grew up

119. redmond - 2:07 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

I would drink her bathwater!

120. Michael - 2:32 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Ok, all of this has already been said, but give me the chance to give vent to my anger.

I am not a native speaker, so ignore any mistakes.

You don‘t need to be a psychologist to notice, that this text is written by someone who feels disappointed, but nonetheless I am trying to be as objective as my emotions allow at this time:

I am so pissed off by the fact that I was not clever enough to realize, that the whole „search for the new Pumpkins bass player“ was nothing but a marketing strategy.

I and many others invested hours of writing/performing songs, recording and cutting videos, writing bios and sending them to the official submission address. And all of this driven by the belief, that it would be possible to become the new SP bass player.

Finally, I can provide my statement, that at least my video has never been watched by Billy or any SP related person , nor do I ever have received any reply to my submission e.g. a „Thank you … “ but „ … you do not fit to the conception of the band“ or „ or anything else.

Instead of that I had to read, that the bass player has already been found and even this has not been officially announced by Billy, but by the new player herself.

I think this is a slap right into the face to all those persons who invested time and work to submit their productions to Billy.

Maybe this text will give you a good laugh, but to my understanding Billy should at least had the manners to reply to the people who sent in material, before the new bass player announced her membership.

Anyway, my congratulations to Nicole and I wish her a good time with the band.

In my eyes Billy has lost credibility. I am hurt.

Michael

121. Bigpumpkins - 2:37 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Has it occured to all of you whiners who submitted that maybe you were all not good enough or not fitting for the band? If any of you had been a revelation to Billy and co., you would actually be a part of the band, just like Mike.

I think I am a person with a good sense of understanding but to read people like Michael and others right now make me cringe. Stop blaming it on others and move on. Come on…

122. Bigpumpkins - 2:38 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Oh and Michael, go on http://www.smashingpumpkins.com and tell me if Billy and SP announced it publicly.

123. Bigpumpkins - 2:39 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

So if I get it right every time I had an interview for a job and didn’t get it, it meant the eventual employer lost credibility.

124. [ed. Derby commenting as "Salli"] - 2:40 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

I was reading the main blog about Nicole and thought I’d wiew the comments on her and this was a little hard to follow at first but basically it my first impression seemed like the diehard Pumpkinheads are attacking the people that have an opinion of their own that might not agree. But I finally got it. LMFAO!
You people(or person with many handles) are trying to smoke screen and hide the fact that Nicky was accepted as a Pumpkin by Mr. Pumpkin himself over a month ago.

Well too late to plug that leak Hon. If you guys would get out clubbing more you’d know that it has been old news. Nicky has been gigging in the recent past with Light FM, Spinnerette and others and musicians talk to each other about who is playing with whom as just shop talk and hundreds of people must know by she got the gig before the public auditions even got moving. Get over it and quit being so defensive about old news. Billy had a brainstorm about open public auditions but changed his mind in midstream. It’s a cut throat business that doesn’t suffer weakness or fools. It’s all bottom line baby. Billy is a smart guy. The debate of female vs. male bass is frap.
The female bass player gives guys a sexual object to focus on, and psychologically leads the men into a sexual relationship with Billy’s music. Billy is a genius and knows the power of giving the men a female sexual attachment to him and his music.

All this talky talky about “proof” in nonsense. No doubt some of those bass players auditioning are from around the L.A. club scene to hang and try to cop a gig and any one of them could have heard the old news of Billy getting the craving for Nicky’s talent and initiating her as his new pumpkin babe over a month ago. The professional among those will suck it up knowing that it is a back stabbing, cut throat business and will just move on and the weak will fall by the wayside. I am sure you little Billy worshipers will put your widdle snide wee-marks to hide widdle Salli, but basically Fuk off. Today’s lesson in reality is over and out…..

125. Michael - 2:59 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

@Bigpumpkins

You got me wrong:

1
I would have any respect and acceptance if I was told that I do not fit to the band, but I can tell you, that none of my submissions have been watched.

2
The official announcement was 3 days to late.

3
The eventual employer only loses credibility if he is offering a job which is already given to another person, writes tweets about Love and God and doesn’t inform you, that the job is already given to another person.

Anyway, I do not want to start a war, I just wanted to say that I am disappointed like many others. Maybe my english is too bad to express myself to a native speaker.

126. [ed. saison94 commenting as "Isle of Man"] - 3:42 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

@skullivan

“It’s fine that you don’t like the music, that’s not the point, but can’t you see how it’s insulting to those who do like it to talk about “those of us who wish to see Billy return to great songwriting” and “fans who still like music” as if you must just be a blind follower to actually like his new songs? That’s complete horseshit. What kind of reaction do you expect to get from such nonsense? No one is telling you that you should like it, but your view is that since you don’t like it, no one else should either.”

It’s called rhetoric, dude. Maybe you are unfamiliar with the concept of arguing your side as if it is fact, but it is a practice that goes back to ancient times. Why would I not argue my point in this way? I’m not here to walk on eggshells around hyper-sensitive debaters.

Maybe because you’ve never been a sports fan you can’t grasp the concept of loving/being fascinated with/interested in an entity/band/person even if you’re not happy with what that entity is doing at the moment. I, too, think sports fans often have ridiculous logic with which they decide what to like or what not to like about their team or their sport, but my earlier point was simply meant to illustrate why there are those of us who stick around even though we’re not currently feeling Billy’s vibe. Some people jump ship when their team is having a losing season, and become a fan all over again once they start winning again. I prefer to look at it in the sense that, in my mind, the quality of Billy’s output is on a downslide lately, but that doesn’t mean I won’t ever like what he’s doing again. So I choose to stick around and see what happens, because more than anything, he’s an incredibly interesting artist regardless of whether I or anyone likes what he’s doing currently. So basically that’s what keeps me coming to the blogs, I just find it all interesting.

“You’re saying that fans should stick by their team no matter what, for absolutely no reason other than the fact that they’re fans and have always been fans and you’re telling me *I’m* endorsing a fan base with no ability to think?”

I’m not saying fans should or should not do anything. It was a simple analogy to illustrate a point. You’re the one saying fans should get lost if they don’t dig the new material.

Anyway, there really are some uber-sensitive fans here at HU. It’s almost like Siva was back in 2000. If I were on your side of the debate and hated reading opinions like mine, I’d be a son of a bitch if I’d make an effort to argue my side if it bent me out of shape as much as it does you. I’d simply gloss over the posts, chuckle, and forget about it. Or “move on.”

127. saison94 - 3:43 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Oops, that last post was mine. Dunno how that user name got there… that’s my old Netphoria name, haha.

128. [ed. Derby commenting as "Carl"] - 3:57 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Yeah,Oops my ass. Salli was right. You are just in here posting shit to hide truth everytime someone mentions the fact that the Bass auditions weren’t on the up and up. I guess you must be the little Billy worship Salli was talking about, heh saison94? Man that girl Salli pegged you little Billy bitches to the wall. Woooo!!

129. [ed. Derby commenting as "Carl"] - 4:01 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

All of that garbage by your other name “Ilse of Man” is just drivvlingshit to hide Salli, but M_Fkr you can’t hide it now.

130. [ed. Derby commenting as "Carl"] - 4:02 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Hey people, this whole page is fake, but look for a remark by Salli and the truth shall set you free.

131. Bigpumpkins - 4:16 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Carl IS Salli.

132. [ed. Derby commenting as "Carl"] - 4:18 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

The is a quote of something that explains why everyone gets attacked when they try to mention the YouTube Bass Auditions

“124. Salli – 2:40 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010
I was reading the main blog about Nicole and thought I’d wiew the comments on her and this was a little hard to follow at first but basically it my first impression seemed like the diehard Pumpkinheads are attacking the people that have an opinion of their own that might not agree. But I finally got it. LMFAO!
You people(or person with many handles) are trying to smoke screen and hide the fact that Nicky was accepted as a Pumpkin by Mr. Pumpkin himself over a month ago.

Well too late to plug that leak Hon. If you guys would get out clubbing more you’d know that it has been old news. Nicky has been gigging in the recent past with Light FM, Spinnerette and others and musicians talk to each other about who is playing with whom as just shop talk and hundreds of people must know by she got the gig before the public auditions even got moving. Get over it and quit being so defensive about old news. Billy had a brainstorm about open public auditions but changed his mind in midstream. It’s a cut throat business that doesn’t suffer weakness or fools. It’s all bottom line baby. Billy is a smart guy. The debate of female vs. male bass is frap.
The female bass player gives guys a sexual object to focus on, and psychologically leads the men into a sexual relationship with Billy’s music. Billy is a genius and knows the power of giving the men a female sexual attachment to him and his music.

All this talky talky about “proof” in nonsense. No doubt some of those bass players auditioning are from around the L.A. club scene to hang and try to cop a gig and any one of them could have heard the old news of Billy getting the craving for Nicky’s talent and initiating her as his new pumpkin babe over a month ago. The professional among those will suck it up knowing that it is a back stabbing, cut throat business and will just move on and the weak will fall by the wayside. I am sure you little Billy worshipers will put your widdle snide wee-marks to hide widdle Salli, but basically Fuk off. Today’s lesson in reality is over and out…..”

133. [ed. Derby commenting as "Carl"] - 4:21 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Screw you Pumpkin sucker and your mama is a Puta.

134. Bigpumpkins - 4:22 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Well basically Billy made some people who applied sad but treated the others numerous fans with a great choice of a pro and sexy female bassist.

All this whining proves that those people are not suited for the position. would you imagine John Dolmayan going on blogs to cry that Billy wasn’t nice to him by choosing Mike instead or blah blah blah.

Fans like I are better off with Nicole than any of the people who whine here I’ll tell you. I don’t give a sh** about the rest.

135. [ed. Derby commenting as "Carl"] - 4:22 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Hey BigPumpkins, you picked on Michael because he could speak english well but bring it on Puta.

136. [ed. Derby commenting as "Carl"] - 4:24 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

This BigPumpkins jerk had fun picking on auditioner that couldn’t speak english very well, but to hell with him. Pumpkin Sucker shpuld be your name.

137. [ed. Derby commenting as "Carl"] - 4:26 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Do you like sticking a BigPumpkin upi your Culo? Is that why you like that name?

138. [ed. Derby commenting as "Carl"] - 4:29 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

He’ll change names in a minute to post more drivvel to hide truth tellers.
124. Salli – 2:40 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010
I was reading the main blog about Nicole and thought I’d wiew the comments on her and this was a little hard to follow at first but basically it my first impression seemed like the diehard Pumpkinheads are attacking the people that have an opinion of their own that might not agree. But I finally got it. LMFAO!
You people(or person with many handles) are trying to smoke screen and hide the fact that Nicky was accepted as a Pumpkin by Mr. Pumpkin himself over a month ago.

Well too late to plug that leak Hon. If you guys would get out clubbing more you’d know that it has been old news. Nicky has been gigging in the recent past with Light FM, Spinnerette and others and musicians talk to each other about who is playing with whom as just shop talk and hundreds of people must know by she got the gig before the public auditions even got moving. Get over it and quit being so defensive about old news. Billy had a brainstorm about open public auditions but changed his mind in midstream. It’s a cut throat business that doesn’t suffer weakness or fools. It’s all bottom line baby. Billy is a smart guy. The debate of female vs. male bass is frap.
The female bass player gives guys a sexual object to focus on, and psychologically leads the men into a sexual relationship with Billy’s music. Billy is a genius and knows the power of giving the men a female sexual attachment to him and his music.

All this talky talky about “proof” in nonsense. No doubt some of those bass players auditioning are from around the L.A. club scene to hang and try to cop a gig and any one of them could have heard the old news of Billy getting the craving for Nicky’s talent and initiating her as his new pumpkin babe over a month ago. The professional among those will suck it up knowing that it is a back stabbing, cut throat business and will just move on and the weak will fall by the wayside. I am sure you little Billy worshipers will put your widdle snide wee-marks to hide widdle Salli, but basically Fuk off. Today’s lesson in reality is over and out…..

139. Bigpumpkins - 4:39 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Yes I like sticking bigpumpkins up my whatever buddy.
I’ll let you know I am french and don’t master english very well either.

140. pins - 4:44 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

This comment thread is about to get locked if the back-and-forth continues.

Argue the process all you want, but no more attacks.

141. Bigpumpkins - 5:19 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

The thread would get locked because one dude is rude? That wouldn’t be fair. But that’s your blog eh…

142. Acknowledge - 5:48 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

I know this is nothing new, but it’s still weird to me that people get slammed for being fans of the band on websites related to the band.

143. Tree_Spirit - 5:54 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

I really never in all my years and I’m a elder..never seen in my life, seen fans act so badly..lol..

And suppose to be fans of this band.I thought u were suppose to <3 the band you follow ..go figure,never get to old to learn something new i guess..lol.

You have your opinions but still music suppose to bring you to a <3 place.Not anger all this.

144. ferro4pumpkins - 7:28 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Thanks very much for the positive comments, everyone. I really wore my heart on my sleeve for this audition, so it’s nice to get your feedback.

All the best to all auditioning,
Ferro

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Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5IUxPb_3iw
Twitter: http://twitter.com/ferro4prez
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145. Bigpumpkins - 9:29 pm // Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Yeah you’re doing a great job Ferro. I actually tried to write to you on your personnal email to give you my support in or out of SP but for some reason, your email adress wouldn’t work from my email account. Anyway, good job man.

146. justsomeguy - 4:13 am // Wednesday, May 12, 2010

I was heavily disappointed.
I entered my videos of all my concerts, gigs, etc, hoping that maybe I’d be able to show the Pumpkins I could grow and do more.

But no. Instead, Nicole Fiorentino from Veruca Salt, which I believe is signed by MANY labels, announces herself with a “Yay! I’ve been initiated as Pumpkin!” Normally, and admit it, if anyone else got the news, they would have the same reaction.

However, I find it unfair, in a way. They held auditions, highlighting that everyone had a chance, no matter what age, ethnic group, etc. If just an unknown figure were cast the bass duties, I would be ecstatic- this is someone new, someone we haven’t heard of, showing that average people can do more and are able to be seen as well.

But Ms. Big Label just snatches that from thousands of people.
In a way, that’s the biggest c**kblock ever committed.
I mean, when you’ve had your moment in the spotlight, that’s it. Kaput. You’ve spent your 15 minutes, now get on with it. You don’t need to feed the burnt fire.

I mean, I don’t want to go on a personal rant, but I really wanted this. I wanted to escape my shithole home, my “friends” who treated me like shit, constant abuse everywhere, I wanted to escape all that with this.
But oh well.
Boo-fucking-hoo.
You win some you lose some.
And you often lose BIG.

Of course, I’ll still listen to the band. I hope it turns out well. If not, then… meh, at least it’s all free.

147. entitled - 11:22 am // Wednesday, May 12, 2010

Yeah, justsomeguy. I mean, why would Billy choose a bass player who has spent years as a professional, touring musician to be the new member of The Smashing Pumpkins? It’s offensive, really, that he would choose to operate TSP as a musical entity in search of talent rather than a charity event.

148. [ed. Derby commenting as "Laughable"] - 2:56 pm // Wednesday, May 12, 2010

It is laughable because it WASN’T just a bunch of amateurs like justsomeguy like Billy expected but some of those players are seasoned, experienced, play as well or better than Nicole and won’t forget being tricked into Billy’s PR stunt scam. When he first thought of the PR stunt he probably thought that only a small handful of amateur teenagers would apply and Nicole could be slipped in smoothly and he would get good PR “Wow, isn’t Billy great the way he gave everyone a chance?” But this one will bite him back for years to come.

justsomeguy up there is not a real musician because he “plays” bass because he thinks it is a tool for bettering his life, but some of those cats, guys and gals on those YouTube videos, eat, sleep, crave the feel of a bass guitar in their hands and they unlike justsomeguy, are musicians.

Some of those will wind up landing good pro situations because they have the fire and can’t and won’t stop and although what Billy did to them, using a deceitful PR stunt,slipping in a shill and not even sending a thank you email like is professionaly expected, will die down later for a while it will never go away. This will hit the SP pocket book financialy because literally thousands of SP fans watched those YouTube submissions were picking their own favorites and a whole lot of them had a wake up call about Billy and SP.

149. Bigpumpkins - 4:02 pm // Wednesday, May 12, 2010

In all your great credibility Derby, you lighted my way and thoughts.

150. Bigpumpkins - 4:12 pm // Wednesday, May 12, 2010

By the way Derby, what’s laughable to me is particularly your last sentence. Load of bull****.

151. saison94 - 9:00 pm // Wednesday, May 12, 2010

I have no idea what happened in this thread. All I did was reply to skullivan’s last post and somehow accidentally typed in my old Netphoria name instead of my regular posting name here. I come back two days later and it’s just a bunch of jibberish…

152. jjb - 9:14 pm // Wednesday, May 12, 2010

@saison94- It turned out two commenters were faking multiple identities in this thread, which is one of the few things that (when we notice it) will trigger the very light moderation around here. To be fair I felt I needed to ‘fix’ yours as well as theirs, even though you owned up to what I do believe was an innocent mistake on your part.

153. jillysp - 10:06 pm // Wednesday, May 12, 2010

Wow. TLDR; I miss the old HU.

154. jjb - 11:43 pm // Wednesday, May 12, 2010

I still see the spirit of the ‘old HU’ in about 70% of the first 40% of each thread…

155. Ub Iwerks - 12:59 am // Thursday, May 13, 2010

156. Miles - 2:15 am // Thursday, May 13, 2010

Suck it up, justsomeguy.
I auditioned too, and you know what? I’m not complaining. If you’re going to stop playing bass just because you didn’t make one gig, then you were never meant to play. I’m sorry if it sounds offensive, but it’s true. Once I got the news, sure, I was down, but only for around a few seconds before I saw the good that came out of this. Now I’m starting up way too many bands/side projects just so I can get the chance to play whenever. Plus we have an awesome full new line-up of the Smashing Pumpkins! But you’re not always going to land all your gigs! If you want to make it your passion, then pursue it in any way you can if you just miss one gig. If you just give up there, it will never be a passion, and there might be something else instead other than bass. Just enjoy music for what it is.

Anyway, back to Ms. Fiorentino…

I’m beyond blown away! She’s the real deal right here! Good for Nicole Fiorentino! I’m personally not a huge fan of Veruca Salt, but I dug her bass playing. She’s good, real good. I’m anxious to see what the combination of Mike, Billy, and Nicole (of course Jeff too!) will result as for the future of Teagarden and the Pumpkins. It’ll simply be great.

157. chaja - 4:26 am // Thursday, May 13, 2010

fuck you, jjb! they set me up!

158. saison94 - 10:50 am // Thursday, May 13, 2010

Thanks for the note, jjb…

159. Acknowledge - 1:40 pm // Friday, May 14, 2010

Having the multiple identities uncovered like that was just as good as a Lost episode. :O

160. rapapapa - 10:50 am // Saturday, May 15, 2010

John Locke = Billy Corgan.

161. redmond - 4:55 am // Sunday, May 16, 2010

Qualifications for SP ‘bassist':

1. Must be a SMOKING HOT BABE
2. bass skills must be adequate (see Wretzky, D’arcy), virtuosity not required but a plus

Qualifcations for SP ‘drummer':

1. Must be a virtuoso ROCK MONSTER DRUMMER
2. Image not important (see: Byrne, Mike)

162. chaja - 12:55 pm // Sunday, May 16, 2010

redmond, good one… NOT

163. Billy Corgan at MusicRadar.com: “This is the best lineup the band’s had since the original four” « Hipsters United - 11:48 am // Monday, May 24, 2010

[...] interview (and 8-page transcript) with Billy Corgan on the future of the Smashing Pumpkins, the recent hiring of Nicole Fiorentino on bass, what he’s looking for in a possible keyboardist, gear chat and loads more. The [...]

164. Darcy - 3:27 pm // Saturday, June 19, 2010

see, you all forget, smashing pumpkins has ALWAYS been billy corgan, plus some other random people. He doesnt even care about the other people’s playing or how good they are– that’s why he goes back over it in the studio and re-records their parts himself. It doesn’t matter WHO the new bass player is, who will get fired next, or whatever, as every single member of the band is a shell of a puppet for the bald egomaniac that cant chart again to save his life, LOL.

165. Fancy Space People, Light FM to support Pumpkins on U.S. tour « Hipsters United - 10:40 am // Tuesday, August 9, 2011

[...] frontman Billy Corgan and producer Kerry Brown. Bass guitarist Nicole Fiorentino left Light FM to join the Pumpkins last [...]


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